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How does the 90's emo section not make reference to Cap'n Jazz? They were extremely influential, and their members went on to be in a number of the bands mentioned later in the article — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 01:28, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
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- Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. Can you please be a little clearer as to what importance this has? Technical 13 (talk) 20:34, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
Influence on Metalcore/Mallcore/Scenecore
No mentions of a good portion of 90s Emo. (if i've messed with something I shouldn't have, or accidentally overwritten something, I apologise.)
I'm not sure whether this is more a question about, or questioning of the article itself. maybe it will be a rant, lets see what mood i'm in. (i'm not going to edit this piece at the moment, but I will warn you it's long. and some of it did get quite ranty).
where are the 90s bands like Shotmaker, Julia, Four Hundred years, Native Nod, Navio Forge, Inkwell, Current, Allure, Breakwater, Lincoln, Car Vs. Driver, ordination Of Aaron, Still Life. they don't seem to be listed anywhere, nor their sounds or influence referenced at all.
It seems like this article ignored a good portion of 90s emo in favour of stuff that has more relations with Pop-punk, Skate-Punk, Alternate Rock, Grunge/post-grunge, Mathrock, Noise Pop/rock or other forms Of Indie rock and pop Music over Emo itself. Why not mention the bands that are more true to nature of the originators. you can't tell me that The Alkaline trio sound more like Emo than Policy Of 3. I'd even go as far to say that Alkaline trio would have a better fit with the goth rock and post-punk bands than with emo.
and how about the 2000s? or 2010s? no mentions of the Emo bands in those periods, nor the "Revivalists" playing the original sounds. Just a bunch of label bands and boy bands.
I know you guys have to find "Official Sources", but really. isn't it obvious alot of them have no fucking idea what they are talking about? they must be out of their mind to relate this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j82FBbgpUy4
with even this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAotWVmVRS4 and that bands one of the biggest "debates", in Emo.
and now.. Listen to this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cQh1ccqu8M
That's nickelback. Ignore the vocals of course and focus on the instrumentation. notice anything? they sound Similar to dashboard confessional. alot more similar atleast than dashboard do to any 80s/90s "Emo" acts, even the ones labeled as Indie. are they now an Emo band? how about evanescense, or Hinder? maybe we can throw in Linkin park and slipknot why we're at it, or maybe it's purely lyrical content. Miley Cyrus must be the Queen of emo, and who could forget the ever lovely Katy perry with her "Teenage Dreams".
Not only that, but a good portion of emo bands touched on Completely unrelated things in their lyrics. alot of them didn't even relate to relationships or rediculous teenage drama. they were all Unique.
I also find it Strange how none of the Emo bands Sound Anything alike during the 90s/2000s periods. now jimmy eat world doesn't exactly sound like Sunny Day real estate, but the difference isn't so big it's a problem. but what about when you throw in bands like American football. they have no similarities whatsoever. how about My Chemical romance vs The Promise ring? you could say lyrics, but a 1000 different genres touch on the exact same things. you can find thrash metal and Blues music going on about teenage sorrows and Bad relationship. lyrics are a poor way to relate things, because we are all humans, and we all share Re occurring experiences which just end up as song lyrics. are all those bands now Emo aswell?
Now I could be wrong about the lack of relations between bands. but you don't seem to specify songs, nor albums. just throw the bands in whole and stitch that label on. I will say this, My Chemical Romances First album has more in relations with emo than the majority of other bands mentioned in the 2000s I can hear a definite connection between maybe even the original stuff, or atleast the 90s Hardcore acts. (maybe). but it's ever so slight, could they really be the same? I think it'd be more fitting to say they have ties with emo or take influence from it. I'd say they have more resemblance with other genres. and on their later albums, they have no connection.
I think the title for this should be renamed Emo(Ambiguous). because this article doesn't seem to relate to anything. just a bunch of crappy interpretations by "Professionals" and stereotypes thrown into a messy piece of text where nothing relates. and the worst part is alot of it is written to sound definitive or as fact. rather than what it is.
The problem with official references. in the end they are just humans, and in my opinion alot of their insights and information is about equal in accuracy, worth and legitimacy as any others opinions.
- Hey, you may very well be right on all this, but Wikipedia guidelines are clear about reliable sources. You can't include information that you believe to be right without backing it up (that's original research), and if a lot of sources call a famous band emo, then it should be mentioned. If you want changes done to the article, you should be bold and try to make them yourself. Want some bands mentioned that are not? Find a source that discuss their relevance to the genre and add them. Think some bands are not actually emo? Find a source that says the same and you can change the style of the text to indicate that the label is controversial, not universally agreed on etc. Editing the article can get the changes you want implemented, while talking about them on the talk page likely won't. I can help with technical stuff, but I don't actually know and care enough about this to make changes to the article content.--MASHAUNIX 15:43, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
- alright, what exactly would count as a reference? I could probably find tons of crap on the internet, but i'm not sure about it's Officiality. I doubt alot of it is written by big companies and studios or other heavily funded bodies such as all-music, nor by the bands themselves. but rather fans, Independant radio's and other pages/sources related to small time stuff or personal/privately run things, with small teams or singular people. (I have no idea how wiki formating or anything works, not even sure if I did this correctly)
- Veiledinmisery, see WP:RS, as that details things to look for in reliable sources. Basically, you want something that went through some type of editorial process. Independent radio and small public or private sources are fine, as long as there is some type of editorial "team" involved that can vouch for the content's accuracy. Also, someone who is an established expert in the field (a very notable example would be Robert Christgau) can be cited as well, as long as that expert isn't making claims about a living person. You should probably browse music article source list for a list of some reliable major publications. Also see what sources are used in the 90s bands that you mentioned above.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 15:12, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
- For an introduction to formatting and stuff, go through Wikipedia:Tutorial, especially Wikipedia:Tutorial/Formatting, Wikipedia:Tutorial/Wikipedia links and Wikipedia:Tutorial/Citing sources. Once you know the absolute basics you can go ahead and edit; if you make mistakes, it doesn't really matter, as I or someone else can clean up the formatting etc.--MASHAUNIX 18:17, 26 May 2015 (UTC)