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There is a conflict between industrial costs reported here and Eurostat numbers. According to the Wiki page industrial electricity costs have been rising. Eurostat data reports that prices peaked in 2009 and have fallen each following year. About 12% in total.

http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/tgm/table.do?tab=table&language=en&pcode=ten00114

Additionally, residential prices are 3x US prices, not 4x. Current Germany residential electricity is $0.36 and July, 2013 US average was just over $0.12/kWh. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.194.68.223 (talk) 02:07, 30 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Broken reference link, the 3rd one: ^ Electricity in Germany, EIA, Accessed December 7 2008. URL is http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/Germany/Electricity.html

Just passing through, not sure how the Wikipedians handle such things, but didn't want to just delete it. 76.115.3.200 (talk) 18:41, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I was wondering how the article can say only 1.6% of Germany's energy use is derived from renewables in 2008, but in the article on Renewable energy in Germany, it says that as of 2007, renewables accounted for 14% of their energy needs. This seems very discrepant. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.101.224.4 (talk) 16:05, 2 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The renewable energy page says as of 2008 Germany produces 15% of its electricity from renewables, not that it produces 15% of its energy from renewables. I'm not sure that that accounts for all of the difference, but since automobiles still mostly run on gas it certainly is intuitive that factoring them in would increase the portion coming from non-renewable sources. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.120.80.42 (talk) 14:27, 24 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Can someone find a new pie chart for the renewable energy. It is from 2009 and there has been significant change in the last three years. Solar has for example gone from 10 GW in 2009 to over 30 GW in 2012. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.238.38.12 (talk) 18:30, 4 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Anti-nuclear bias

The table includes "Mtoe = 11.63 TWh, Prim. energy includes energy losses that are 2/3 for nuclear power", when it should be for nuclear, coal, oil, and gas boiler. Nuclear is not an exception, and should not be treated as such. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.43.54.2 (talk) 02:32, 18 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Contradictory information

How could nuclear power have accounted for 23% of electricity production, renewables for a bit under 20%, hydro+wind for 60% of that and yet nuclear account for 11% of energy production compared to 1.5% for hydro+wind? This is not consistent unless almost all nuclear is used for things OTHER than electricity (which is not the case) or there were doublings and halvings of these various energy sources during 2009-2011 (again, not the case). One of these two sources is false. 195.46.249.229 (talk) 10:21, 17 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

74% of Germany's power is from renewable energy

Can we get a definite inclusion of this in the article.

Is it true that 74% of Germany's power is from renewable energy or is it a blatant falsehood and the vast majority (over 2/3rds) of Germany's power comes from imported energy from nuclear and coal/gas/oil countries?

The factual statement should be included in the article rather than weasel words. 58.7.92.174 (talk) 08:53, 21 May 2014 (UTC) Sutter Cane[reply]

The share is far lower. Renewables are predominantly for electricity production, the shares of which are available at https://www.energy-charts.de/price.htm, amongst others (this is a site run by the non-for-profit reasearch Fraunhofer, with data supplied by the network operators and energy trade exchange. Any statements regarding renewable shares should in my view only refer to electricity, as that is the only part in which reliable data will be continuously available. I doubt that biofuels data is widely available (don't know any source and there is no central trading point or similar at which such data could be gathererd) Buan~dewiki (talk) 11:10, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

this article needs updating. source 1 for that claim is 404, source 2 refers to >>50% of energy coming from renewables 195.192.86.230 (talk) 16:15, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Who wrote this Crap?

"6 times cheaper than in Germany"... The footnoted references states that electricity in Moses Lake, Washington, next to the Hoover Dam, costs $0.03/kwh vs $0.18/kwh in Germany. The price in Moses Lake does not reflect average electric prices in the U.S. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2620:0:1000:3002:BE30:5BFF:FEDB:4C84 (talk) 03:46, 11 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Out of date

Most of the statistics in this article are between 2 and 5 years old and need to be updated. I will tag the relevant data as such. Stidmatt (talk) 02:16, 25 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Timeline

@Ita140188: I feel like the timeline showed the percentages better - the graph makes it difficult to see the percentage change each year. Can you consider reverting back? DiamondIIIXX (talk) 09:03, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@DiamondIIIXX: I changed the graph to a bar chart with values shown. Is it ok like this? I would prefer to keep the Graph template since this is the standard way to display graphs in wiki, and it's easier to maintain. --Ita140188 (talk) 11:35, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Ita140188: Yes, this is a lot better now DiamondIIIXX (talk) 22:12, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Description of various amounts of energy are in different (and incorrect) units.

Total energy use for Germany is given as 10,791 Petajoules. It should read petajoules per year. This is a preposterous unit to use. It is like measuring the distance to the moon in inches. This amount of energy is more properly written as 320GW. Similarly, electricity is given as 508.1 TWh/year - here a watt is stupidly written as 8760Wh/year - inflating the numbers quite unnecessarily by 8760 times. This amount of energy is more properly written as 58GW. With total energy 320GW and electricity 58GW, using the same units, you can now see straightaway that electricity use is 18.1% of total energy, showing that decarbonising electricity will make almost no difference to the total amount of energy being used in Germany. BrianAnalogue (talk) 14:05, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

These are standard units used in the references. They are all valid units, so their choice depends on personal preference. By the way, petajoule is a perfectly suitable unit to refer to national energy consumption (it could also be written as 10.79 exajoule). It is a multiple of the joule which is the standard unit of energy in the SI units. These units scale with prefixes, like meter and kilometer. It's the same concept you are using to refer to gigawatt as a billion watt. The text also refers to energy in 2023, so no need for per year. That number refers to a specific year. --Ita140188 (talk) 07:39, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]