Talk:Exodus: Gods and Kings

Movie Publicity?

Is it appropriate to have an article about a movie that does not exist yet? Seems like publicity created by some movie company personnel. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.162.96.225 (talk) 15:27, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

References to use

• CineEurope: First Footage From Ridley Scott's 'Exodus' Revealed at The Hollywood Reporter
• 'Exodus': Christian Audiences Say Their Attendance Will Depend on Adaptation's Accuracy at The Hollywood Reporter

References to use. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 22:26, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Race in casting

I've reverted the removal of the "Controversy" section and have renamed it to "Race in casting", which is more neutral per WP:STRUCTURE. (E.g., if/when the filmmakers respond defensively, their comments can go into this section.) I believe that the Sydney Morning Herald here and Christian Today here establish due weight for having this coverage. There is also this (Shadow and Act at Indiewire) which is online-based, but I think it can be considered reliable. That said, I think this section could be better written to attribute who is complaining (for example, mention the petition and who observed what, like the black slaves in the background). Thanks, Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 23:19, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Not sure if this should be incorporated, but we have an article on this "controversy" here: Ancient Egyptian race controversy (and linked article).

There might also be a topic for if this should mention more "Biblical view" on the topic as written about here The Origin of Race (Only a link I found trough a quick search – I have far from any authority or deep knowledge on the topic.). It is rather obvious that a more literal Biblical interpretation of human history from, at least, a Judeo/Christian Creation viewpoint, with the Tower of Babel etc., is going to drastically differ from theories based in human evolution from apes. This would obviously largely depend on the intention laid out by the writers and producers of the movie, in which this topic might have been debated, though, if it is anything like e.g. the Noah movie, where I guess one can say (?) they strayed far from the Biblical narrative, the "answer" to the topic can be anything. (Note; I have not seen the Noah movie yet, but it is perhaps in the same landscape?)

Only as some thoughts.

Stermerkermer (talk) 10:14, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Another ref for use: ‘Exodus’ Director Ridley Scott Explains Controversial Casting Decision.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 18:59, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

This is absolutely ridiculous if you ask me. Of course the Pharaohs and their family were slightly whiter, this is what most Egyptians looked like, while of course there were black slaves taken from down further south, Nubia and Ethiopia. KarstenO (talk) 23:54, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Isn't there any controversy that the Hebrews are played by Europeans instead of Jews, despite there being a lot of Jewish actors in Hollywood? Or do people only care about black people?

According to physical anthropologists, the ancient Hebrews migrated to the Middle East and Egypt from Eastern Europe. Those who left and returned to these areas took with them the name "Slav" which is where the word slave comes from. Sorry, but they were European, and are no different than modern Europeans. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.106.62.201 (talk) 17:41, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

It Released early in india

This Movie is released early in india, i.e on December 5, 2014 here is the proof :CLICK HERE Ram nareshji (talk) 01:55, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Buy-cott

I don't blame the people who are attempting to change "buy-cott" to "boycott", because the man being quoted clearly meant the latter. Perhaps we should consider whether it is useful to include that source at all. Elizium23 (talk) 22:48, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

“Accuracy”

I know a certain amount of this is quoted, but it seems rather unencyclopaedic to have so much talk about “accuracy” when comparing a fictional cultural product with one it’s based on. If this was an article about a Harry Potter film wouldn’t we be talking about it being “faithful to the book” rather than an “accurate” account of events in Harry’s life? --☸ Moilleadóir ☎ 03:20, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

'Biblical' objections

I won't comment on what I think about the fairness of that section (probably disputable), but I will note that Pete Enns's article is clearly satire, and I will edit accordingly. Apha (talk) 16:37, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Parting of the Red Sea

Do we have any more accurate sourcing as for Scott saying that it was really an "underground earthquake" in the film? The current source reference only refers to that reasoning in indirect speech, as if it was a personal speculation on behalf of the LA Times author. What we're seeing in the film is actually a far-away meteor impact, as when Moses is just about to fall asleep after throwing his sword into the water in despair, we see the meteor clearly fall from the sky in a fiery and smoky line in the distance. It seems that the film suggests the meteor fell somewhere in the Persian Gulf or the Indian Ocean ("off the coast of Italy" is nonsense in this case, as the Red Sea had no connection to the Mediterranean by that time and it took until the 3rd century BCE for a working Canal of the Pharaohs to come into existence) and created a temporal crater (and most likely evaporated enough water upon impact) as to make the Red Sea temporarily dry out, before sea level evened itself out again when the underwater crater collapsed, which in turn is what caused the tsunami which destroyed the last of Ramses's troops. --80.187.110.67 (talk) 10:46, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

contradiction

In the "local adaptations and censorship" section we see the following:

Exodus was banned in Egypt. The Egyptian culture minister described it as "a Zionist film", and said it was banned because of "historical inaccuracies", such as creating a false impression that Moses and the Jews built the pyramids. Unlike other biblical epics, Exodus was not censored by the Ministry of Culture. In Islam, Moses is considered to be a prophet of Allah, but the country's top religion institution, Al-Azhar, did not object to the contents of the movie, as it had with the 2014 film on Noah.

I've added emphasis to highlight the apparent contradiction. Perhaps there is some nuance that I am missing, but if so the section needs to be editied to make it more apparent. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:51, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

Unlike other biblical epics, Exodus was not censored by Egypt's Ministry of Culture. Exodus was instead banned in Egypt. The Egyptian culture minister described it as "a Zionist film", and said it was banned because of "historical inaccuracies", such as creating a false impression that Moses and the Jews built the pyramids. In Islam, Moses is considered to be a prophet of Allah, but the country's top religion institution, Al-Azhar, did not object to the contents of the movie, as it had with the 2014 film on Noah.

I've slightly changed the wording of the text to hopefully rectify the contradiction. Masepac (talk) 10:50, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

It still sounds contradictory. Was it or was it not censored in Egypt, and if so, by whom? "Unlike other biblical epics, Exodus was not censored by Egypt's Ministry of Culture. Exodus was instead banned in Egypt." Goustien (talk) 02:33, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

I think it might be a difference regarding the exact meaning of censorship. Many films are censored for content by national governments but still released in some form, whereas this one was banned altogether. That is still obviously censorship in a more extreme (but arguably more honest) form. How to express that clearly in the article? Beeblebrox (talk) 23:12, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

References

Aaron

Who played Aaron? Koro Neil (talk) 10:46, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

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