Talk:First London

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Acton garage contradiction

The section currently contains the statements:

The Acton garage holds 27 buses, and runs London bus route 427, and night route N207.
Today the garage houses 30 TNL's for route 207.

These clearly contradict each other. If the garage only holds 27 buses, how can it house 30 TNLs for route 207 in addition to the buses it runs on route 427 (which presumably runs at the same time). So I've added the contradict tag. Please correct if you can. -- Chris j wood 18:22, 14 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Missing bits of history

The article fails to mention First's SE London subsidiary, which was sold to Metrobus during 2008. Heenan73 (talk) 16:39, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 10 December 2024

It has been proposed in this section that First London be renamed and moved to First London (1997).

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First London → First London (1997) – It may be very early days, but First have just announced they are returning to London operations with the acquisition of RATP Dev's London operations (incorporating Dev Transit London, London United and London Sovereign).^[1]

Given the scope of the original First operation before it was broken up in 2013, reviving this article for the new operation might be a bridge too far and bound to cause some confusion. As such, unless anyone has a better name proposal for the article, I propose the above move with the option for First London (2025) to incorporate the ex-RATP operations. Hullian111 (talk) 08:21, 10 December 2024 (UTC) Hullian111 (talk) 08:21, 10 December 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 02:58, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "FirstGroup Plc - Agreement to acquire RATP London" (Press release). Aberdeen: FirstGroup. 10 December 2024. Retrieved 10 December 2024 – via Financial Times.

Discussion

Support per nom - Given the 1997 version is long and pretty much focuses solely on the '97 side it would therefore make sense to rename and move the 2024 version to First London (2024), Thanks, --–Davey2010^Talk 16:34, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support with some caveats – I feel that First London (1997–2013) is a better title, and then we should just use First London for the upcoming RATP takeover assets. All of this should also wait until the takeover is confirmed to be going ahead as it still sits in the hands of various regulators. Buttons0603 (talk) 23:27, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, that sounds like a reasonable set of amendments. Thought I'd get the move request in now, though, so to put the banner up and dissuade anyone from 'was' to 'is'ing the whole article.

Then again, First might go for something else, i.e. reviving 'First Capital' or, for some reason, 'First Transit', thereby rendering the whole move discussion moot. Just have to wait and see the details if/when the sale goes through. Hullian111 (talk) 21:39, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. I don't see the 2024 version anywhere. I think a move can be discussed when there is another article with the same title. Until then, I don't see why the article shouldn't remain at the current title. Frost 11:53, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] "FirstGroup Plc - Agreement to acquire RATP London" (Press release). Aberdeen: FirstGroup. 10 December 2024. Retrieved 10 December 2024 – via Financial Times.

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