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A fact from Flag of São Tomé and Príncipe appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 20 June 2014 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the stars on the flag of São Tomé and Príncipe (pictured) represent the two islands that make up the country?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2014/June. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Flag of São Tomé and Príncipe.

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GA Review

Passed. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 23:40, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

This review is transcluded from Talk:Flag of São Tomé and Príncipe/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Yue (talk · contribs) 05:51, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: TheNuggeteer (talk · contribs) 10:55, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Won't mind reviewing this article, looks good! 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 10:55, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My review:

The source (2) states that the triangle means equality, you should probably include that.
"following a successful settlement attempt on São" how did they settle there?
I don't think the banner "Flag of convenience" is neccessary, more-so "Benefits"?
In the link to page 185 from source 11, the page is white (only the supposed page, not the mechanics).
I see additional sources like here and here.

Thats my review, have a good day! 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 11:16, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@TheNuggeteer: Howdy, there! Thanks for doing this review.

Y Triangle explanation added.
Y Adjusted the sentence so the reason for earlier failures is clear. I don't think there is really much more to say about the first settlement that is within the scope of this article.
I titled the section "Flag of convenience" because the entire section is just about the flag's use as a flag of convenience. Although the term can be used pejoratively, it is the commonly used term for the business practice. Also, because the practice is frowned-upon and puts flags on international blacklists, I don't think it's a good idea to call it a "benefit" without surrounding contextual descriptors, which would be too much for a heading.
Fixed the link, I think. I changed the URL to this one, hopefully it works now?
I generally stay away from WorldAtlas and CRW Flags because they are self-described "passion projects" (self-published works) of a few editors. The former was run by one person before 2016 and, although it has been acquired by Reunion Technology Inc. since, their team of editors often copy straight from Wikipedia, so there are some possible WP:CIRCULAR issues there. CRW Flags also has looser sourcing standards than Wikipedia (e.g. extrapolating from weak photographic evidence), which is why I steer away from that site.

Yue🌙 18:55, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Drive by comment

I had a look at this article a few days ago and made three notes:

The flag's colours and symbols are shared by the flags initially adopted by two other former Portuguese colonies, Cape Verde and Guinea-Bissau. The point on symbolism being shared seems hard to believe given sources differ on the specific meanings and the CIA Factbook says yellow represents cocoa.
When the article says the first flag of the Movement for the Liberation of São Tomé and Príncipe (MLSTP), I was unsure if "party" should be added after the brackets. If it was purely a movement it shouldn't, but if the flag was representing MLSTP as a political party it should.
The Flag of Convenience information should use MOS:DATED given the latest source is 15 years old.

Can be addressed if you or Nuggeteer thinks they should be.

Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 19:09, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Rollinginhisgrave:

Oops, I meant the shapes are shared not the symbolism, so "symbols" can just be changed to "stars" as that was the point of the source given.
~~We can add "party" for clarity.~~ Timeline-wise, the movement's flag came before the national flag and before the movement became a political party. Yue🌙 19:29, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Let me find a more up-to-date source.

Yue🌙 19:13, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In regard to the third point, I adjusted the text like so. The only fact that is no longer true is that the sale is now regulated by the government (stpregistry.com). Yue🌙 19:58, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Good changes all around. Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 20:03, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Yue Everything looks okay! 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 23:39, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by BorgQueen talk 19:07, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Flag of São Tomé and Príncipe

... that upon independence from Portugal, the flags of São Tomé and Príncipe (pictured), Cape Verde, and Guinea-Bissau all featured green, yellow, red, and a black star?

Source: Smith, Whitney (28 July 2013). "Flag of Sao Tome and Principe". Encyclopædia Britannica. Encyclopædia Britannica, Inc.

ALT1: ... that the black stars on the flag of São Tomé and Príncipe (pictured) represent the African populations of the two islands that make up the country? Source: Same as ALT0.
ALT2: ... that the yellow band on the flag of São Tomé and Príncipe (pictured) represents cocoa, a major agricultural export of the country? Source: Same as ALT0.
Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Electriquette
Comment: I prefer ALT1, but it may be too similar to the hook that ran in 2014 (see Talk:Flag of São Tomé and Príncipe).

Improved to Good Article status by Yue (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 19 past nominations.

Yue🌙 21:40, 18 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

I'll review this. BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:34, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Looks good. Nice work. Approving the initial hook; the second is probably too close to when it was last featured in 2015, while the third doesn't seem like a guaranteed fact (from the article: American vexillologist Whitney Smith attributes additional meaning to the flag; according to him, green represents the islands' lush vegetation, yellow represents the tropical sun ... Meanwhile, the US Central Intelligence Agency's World Factbook states that yellow represents cocoa, a major agricultural export of the country.) BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:57, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]