Talk:Flags of unrecognized and partially recognized states

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Somaliland recognition

Wales is not a state, and so cannot afford recognition to Somaliland. Unless there is some objection, it should be removed from the list of states recognizing Somaliland.

Has the Ethiopia story actually been verified anywhere, or should we remove the recognised by one state bit? Horses In The Sky ^{talk contributions}

Sealand

Why doesn't Sealand count? It has declared independence and claims jurisdiction over territory so I think it fits in here? --Horses In The Sky 11:07, 16 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It belongs in micronations. We use the Montevideo Convention as criteria, and in the spirit of the convention "permanent population" means more than just 2 or 3 family members. - Mauco 13:16, 16 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, you better edit the wiki for Montevideo Convention, since their they claim that same convention gives Sealand legal claims.TchussBitc 02:58, 16 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's not a matter of what Sealand claims - it's a matter of what most of the rest of the world thinks.--Gene_poole 03:58, 16 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Isn't the title of the article "unrecognized states". Sealand claims to be a state, but the rest of the world does not validate their claims. That would be justification to add that nation. I concede that Sealand is a pathetic joke compared to some of the other nations mentioned but none the less, it still is an unrecongonized state.TchussBitc 06:16, 16 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

To put Sealand in the same category as serious unrecognised states as Chechnya, Transdnistria or Puntland is totally inappropriate in my view. 1 eccentric family occupying a decrepit sunken barge in the English Channel is a micronation - not an unrecognised state. Most people - as far as I've seemn - agree with this analysis. --Gene_poole 08:10, 16 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Chechnya does not qualify

There are dozens of 'states' in the same position as Chechnya which do not qualify, so why should it? Chechnya has a secessionist movement which has proven to be unsuccessful like so many other movements--this does not qualify it for status as an unrecognized state. OZLAWYER talk 18:18, 1 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Khalistan

Shouldn't Khalistan be listed in list of unrecognized states? Gsingh 20:34, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Not really because there has never been an organisation that declared itself to be the government of Khalistan and noone has ever issued a decree of Khalistani independence. Horses In The Sky ^{talk contributions}

Somaliland and Turkish Cyprus Double Standard?

Well under Northern Cyprus it says "Recognized by one state" in reference to Turkey, but accodring to its article, Somaliland is recognized by both Ethiopia and Wales. I know the Wales "recognition" is disputed but it clearly says "Although not recognized by any government except Ethiopia...", so why dosen't it say "Recognized by one state" under somaliland? --72.144.171.151 01:33, 14 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It is probably not so much a double standard but more a reflection of two different editors adding the different content at different point in times. You can say the same thing in more than one way. For consistency, it would be nice to use the convention all throughout the article. So: be bold, my anonymous friend. - Mauco 02:49, 14 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

===>Further speculation The Ethiopia thing is almost certainly not true, and the Wales issue is an exaggeration, and irrelevant as it is not a state. -Justin (koavf), talk, mail 02:50, 14 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Puntland

Puntland should not be included in this list in my view because according to Puntland the area has stated "Puntland considered itself as an autonomous state within Somalia.". -- RND ^talk 19:42, 30 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Feel free to remove it then. It is not even clear what exactly the design of the Puntland flag is. --Himasaram 22:36, 18 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Kurdistan

I'm moving out Kurdistan, as it is not a state, because it does not have a united or partially united administration, a defined territory or any decleration of independence. Khutuck (talk) 17:53, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Israel

This is perhaps an entirely ignorant question, but I am sure that Israel is a recognised sovereign state, so I question its inclusion in this article. --T.M.M. Dowd (talk) 17:20, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A number of countries do not recognize the state of Israel, hence it qualifies as a partially recognized state. — Hex (❝?!❞) 10:48, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tibet and East Turkistan

Is there any reason why Tibet and East Turkistan are not listed as they both have exiled governments who claim independence. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Philstaff (talk • contribs) 21:51, 14 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes because there is a big difference between them and other countries listed here. The exiled governments of Tibet and East Turkistan do not control there respective areas. Meanwhile countries like Transnistria or Israel have control of there territories, its just that some people don't want them to. It's true that there is no Palestinian state yet, but a lot of countries already recognize it as one. Simply being a government in exile dose not put you on this list. --24.27.99.179 (talk) 23:06, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What's the point

What is actually the point to this article? There's already the list of states with limited recognition, with all the necessary details, including flags. While here's just a collection of flags related to some subject, but being of no actual use for anybody on its own. Shouldn't in be merged with the list above or deleted? Radio Tbilisi (talk) 09:31, 11 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed deletion

All the flags on this page are already displayed on this other page. I can see the reason for the (seemingly unmaintained) division, but it also seems to be a bit pedantic to have two separate pages. Instead, I would recommend perhaps forming a division on the one page—like how it's done on the List of sovereign states page—with these unrecognised states listed at the bottom under a separate heading. Night w (talk) 15:35, 25 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Palestine

UN member states do recognise Palestine so it should be moved to the same position as Cyprus, Armenia etcetera

Palestine is not a UN member, it is an observer. Outback the koala (talk) 03:22, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Then why the title for the first section is "Flags of partially recognized UN member or observer states"? 190.25.67.138 (talk) 19:45, 4 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry. You are correct, I have fixed the issue. I hope this clears up any confusion. It seems someone may have just been quickly copy and pasting and left that in there. I didn't even notice before, I'm sure that person didn't either. Oh Well. Thanks! Outback the koala (talk) 21:38, 4 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nagorno-Karabakh Republic

I moved the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic into the "recognized by non-UN member states only" category, because the limited recognition states article (You can find it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_with_limited_recognition ) claims that Transnistria has recognized Nagorno-Karabakh. Is this true? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Noseycjr (talk • contribs) 02:21, 7 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect

This list, although I can see why it existed, really doesn't contain much useful information that can't be found in Gallery of sovereign-state flags. The only difference is the more specific divide on this list, but that really doesn't add to the information gained by a flag gallery. The list exists to show flags, not to explain political situations (that's what the article is for). A simple redirect to Gallery of sovereign-state flags#Other states should surely suffice. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 15:53, 24 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]