Talk:Frecciarossa 1000

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ETR 1000 or ETR 400?

This project has been referred to as ETR 1000 since at least 2010. If it was renamed to ETR 400, I cannot find any references for this. --128.68.63.190 (talk) 11:03, 3 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Again: Frecciarossa 1000 is a commercial name. The DMU is enlisted as ETR400 - and that indeed felt strange -, please refer to official documentation (i.e. by ANSF). ETR1000 is a name used incorrectly even by railwaymen.

BTW, no Italian engine.multiple unit group has a 4 digit group number.

Only diesel engines or DMU had 4 digit unit number, where the first number was the builder (i.e. 668.1400 is the DMU of the group 668, built by Fiat of the 400 subgroup, D342.4001 was built by Ansaldo (4), the D342.3001 was built by OM and the 342.2001 was built by Breda, all being the first engine built by each manufacturer.

BTW, I am trying to obtain the permission to use a picture of the side of a car in the consist where, below the "Frecciarossa 1000" you read clearly 93 83 4400 825-6 I-TI, the full UIC marking UIC_identification_marking_for_tractive_stock,List_of_UIC_country_codes:

93 EMU High Speed 83 Italy

4 Italian Auhtority ANSF with the document ANSF 04658/09 del 17-08-2009 states that the fifth digit in the UIC marks the vehicle type (as a traction engine)

 0 - unspecialized
 1 - traction only (i.e. slug)
 2 - traction and driving cab
 3 - traction, driving cab and first class passenger compartment
 4 - traction, driving cab and second class passenger compartment
 5 - traction and first class passenger compartment 
 6 - traction and second class passenger compartment 
 7 - driving cab and first class passenger compartment
 8 - driving cab and second class passenger compartment
 9 - unused, available

 (from http://www.rsifn.it/sfi/it/ui/N_numerazioneuic_3_loc.htm)

400 Group number (therefore ETR 400) 853 Unit number

6 checksum number

I Italy TI Trenitalia (Long distance passenger transport FS Holding) 60.159 Time to undo last edit from 128.68.60.159

The correct name, both for manufacturers and Ferrovie dello Stato, is ETR1000, so this one should be used:

https://www.fsitaliane.it/content/fsitaliane/it/innovazione/tecnologie-per-i-trasporti/frecciarossa-1000.html

https://www.hitachirail.com/it/prodotti-e-soluzioni/i-nostri-treni/alta-velocita/

http://www.cifi.it/UplDocumenti/Padova17032017/6.%20Canetta_Bombardier.pdf

This classification is also used by the italian National Transportation Authority:

https://www.autorita-trasporti.it/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/Delibera-n.-78_2018_signed.pdf

I have rearranged the Article, providing various external link to testify the corret classification (ETR1000). I hope that the considerations made clarify everythings.

--- No, it is not the correct name. The correct Trenitalia name is "Frecciarossa 1000", the ANSF (now ANSFISA) classification is ETR 400, and is ANSFISA that authorizes a train to travel on the Italian network being the Railway Safety Authority (Autorità Nazionale Sicurezza Ferroviaria). What happens is that non-railway-trained marketing staff uses often it, mostly because ETR is shorter than Frecciarossa to type. It is used? Yes, even by some guard. Is it correct? Not.

BTW, a railway journalist told me that the ETR400 classification was choosen because the original plan was for a 400 km/h service. I think this could be a legend, but as for many legends somethin true lurks below :)Saint (talk) 12:02, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]