Talk:Freehub

Neutral

By mentioning a selected company name you are not wikipedia-neutral. JohJak2 07:36, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

That is a ridiculous statement. Do you have some anti-Shimano grudge? Rhobite 11:46, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Why are you specifically mentioning this company Shimano? Do you have anything to gain from them? What does mentioning that company add to the article? Leaving it out still gives the same inadequate information. What if someone has such product from another company? Is there next going to be a list with detailed assembly information from every manufacturer? And what if Shimano develops a different engineering solution next time. Are you going to list all possibilities? You might have to otherwise you confuse people. Silly idea. Better leave it out completely. JohJak2 15:08, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Since Shimano makes the majority of bicycle components, it is a useful tidbit to mention the type of screw used. Rhobite 23:42, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Image

Does anyone have a picture of JUST a freehub? The picture shows the entire hub and doesn't do much to clarify what the difference between freehub, hub and freewheel hub. Ender8282 (talk) 23:41, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

This answer may be out of date, I've not checked the history of the pictures on the article. So I may be mistaken here, but it seems like you have a mistaken idea of what a freehub is. A freehub is an entire hub, and it's not the part the gears slide onto, that is referred to as a freehub-body. As it stands the top picture is of a freehub (and spokes).--Keithonearth (talk) 04:59, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Introduction

Why does this article have this section? None of this is specific to freehubs. It might be appropriate for freewheel, but freehub is just a particular implementation. Perhaps it can all come out. -AndrewDressel (talk) 01:20, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

I'd be in favour of taking out the entire section.--Keithonearth (talk) 04:10, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Recent change to the lede

While the current lede might not be perfect, the recent changes

A freehub is a type of ratcheting mechanism found on rear cycle hubs. A set of sprockets (called a "cassette") are mounted onto a splined shaft on the freehub. The name Freehub is a registered trademark of Shimano.

The ratcheting mechanism is a part of the hub, in contrast, a freewheel contains both the sprockets and a ratcheting mechanism in a single unit separate from the hub. In many high-end and midrange bicycles, freehubs have replaced the older freewheel systems. - 92.40.77.161

introduce a new set of problems. First, a freehub is a hub, as suggested by its name, not a ratcheting mechanism, at least according to the cited source. Second, two short paragraphs, one with just two sentences, are not better than the single paragraph they replaced. -AndrewDressel (talk) 14:42, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

I think the above anon contribution had value, especially the "introduction" section. It seems that it said everything that the old introduction said, but more concisely, and less discursively. It doesn't seem to me that we should go into a great deal of detail here about fixed gear bikes, and the way it is now seems too wordy. The lede as you point out have errors, but I think fixing it is a better move than reverting it. --Keithonearth (talk) 05:11, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

I guess. Given the choice between text which I thought contained factual errors and text which is less concise, I avoided the errors. I actually started to try to fix it, but got frustrated so just reverted it in stead. Kudos to you if you can salvage it. -AndrewDressel (talk) 14:17, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

How about:

A freehub is a type of rear bicycle hub that integrates a ratcheting mechanism. A set of sprockets (called a "cassette") are mounted onto a splined shaft on the freehub. The name Freehub is a registered trademark of Shimano.

The ratcheting mechanism is a part of the hub, in contrast, a freewheel contains both the sprockets and a ratcheting mechanism in a single unit separate from the hub. In many high-end and midrange bicycles, freehubs have replaced the older freewheel systems.

Does that sound ok to Andrew/others? I'm not bothered if it's one paragraph or two, but two seems preferable. --Keithonearth (talk) 05:11, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Here are my couple of tweaks, with wikilinks for convenience:

A freehub is a type of bicycle hub that incorporates a ratcheting mechanism, and the name freehub is a registered trademark of Shimano. A set of sprockets (called a "cassette") are mounted onto a splined shaft of the freehub to engage the chain. The ratcheting mechanism is a part of the hub, in contrast to a freewheel, an older technology, which contains both the sprockets and a ratcheting mechanism in a single unit separate from the hub. In many high-end and midrange bicycles, freehubs have replaced freewheel systems.

The main one is removing the requirement that it be a rear hub. Most front-wheel drive recumbents and trikes use freehubs now. I also mention chain because freehubs are chain-drive specific. The rest are just language. -AndrewDressel (talk) 14:17, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

I am the anon user who made the edits. I feel the changes made a better article. Instead of improving the changes, the article has been just been blanket reverted for what I think what are minor and trivial reasons.

The first reason given is that "a freehub is a hub, as suggested by its name, not a ratcheting mechanism." However when I was editing the article, it said "the freehub is an an axle assembly, used notably for the rear axle of bicycles". I thought this was an odd description of a freehub. I though perhaps it was defining a freehub's freewheeling mechanism rather than the whole hub.

The second reason given hardly justifies removing all my other edits.

The lead should a simple and brief description rather than go into too much detail. The introduction should then go into a bit more detail in general, but it's actually a rambling and irrelevant discussion on the differences between a freewheel and a fixed sprocket. 92.40.174.68 (talk) 09:53, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments here 92.40.174.68, and for your contributins. I hope you are not discouraged that they are not all live, and keep up the good work. I think your edits were an improvement overall, and I do like the fact that they were more concise. Especially the section explaining the advantages of a free-wheeling mechanism over fixed gear, was far superior to the old version it replaced, as such I will put that back up. I was meaning to do so before, so I am glad your note here reminded me.

I think that after the discussion your edits caused the lede has improved greatly, but I'd like to see more. Do we really need to point out that it is a TM of Shimano in the opening sentence when the term is commonly used irregardless to brand? --Keithonearth (talk) 07:45, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

used for many things

Good call on taking out that paragraph. While I have no doubt that it is true, the same can be said for every single component on a bicycle or otherwise, it can be used for something else. -AndrewDressel (talk) 14:24, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Yea, it seems weird to point that out about freehubs specifically. I find track hubs make better business card holders anyways. --Keithonearth (talk) 18:02, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

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