Talk:Fulham/Archive 1

Archive 1

Archive 2

South West

Why is it “South West London”? Does this mean the southern part of West London? If so, why the capital S? Or is it a claim for Fulham to be considered in southwest London? And if so on what basis? Cripipper (talk) 07:52, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Notability of Example

When another editor deleted the rapper Example's name from the "Famous Residents" list a few weeks ago I had initially thought the user was being snobbish about the fact that Example is a rapper. Yet another user (unregistered) then re-added Example to the page. Having looked a bit more into the matter, I have to note that Example, despite disproportional representation on Wikipedia, is not in any way famous enough to be on the a list of Fulham's notable residents. He is an "up-and-coming" musician who has been played a couple of times on the TV. Currently on his own page there is a debate raging about whether he should be listed on Wikipedia at all (I think he should, though his article is currently more promotional bigoraphy material than notable facts), but he cannot yet claim to be worthy of being one of an area's famous residents (he isn't famous at all really). He has never been in a chart of any sort. He has never been featured in a major publication of any sort. I'm afraid being signed to a record label (a minor one at that) is not enough to make you notable.

I will remove his name. Rather than revert my edit, I would request that anyone who wants to offer reason for his inclusion respond here first.--Zoso Jade (talk) 10:40, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Folklore

This section needs some modification, the story, though interesting, needs to be changed for the sake of comprehension, while as far as I am aware, Fulham's etymology is that it originally meant "land in the crook of a river bend belonging to a man named Fulla". I would make modifications now, but thought I would start up the discussion page as I don't want to hack away at someone else's work. Driller thriller 20:17, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

I was always told an addendum to the story of the two sisters. One day one of them threw the hammer short and it landed on a stone on the foreshore, breaking in two. The sisters were unable to continue their work until a man came down the river in a boat who was able to mend it for them. The place he came from was then named 'Hammer-smith' in his honour! --davidL 16:32, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Someone went ahead and removed the Folklore section: I've gone ahead and put it back but it needs a major rewrite, I'll start but I'd rather someone who's actually heard the story had a look at it as well. Driller thriller 17:12, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Balance

I don't have a problem with the local Labour party being listed, but I do think for the purposes of balance we should at least be adding the website for the sitting, Conservative, MP. Driller thriller 13:39, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Isn't the section on politics a little long, and a little irrelevant? People tuning into this page probably aren't interested in political statistics about who was elected when in the area. I propose trimming it down. --SandyDancer 18:29, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I disagree. I think a trim would be a mistake and the shifting political trends in the borough are important. However, more context might improve the article: take it beyond the level of simple statistics and provide some analysis of what they mean. Just a thought. Driller thriller 20:35, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Having just re-read the article for the first time in quite a while I see that my suggestion is pretty much redundant, apart from to say more of the same might help. I'll look before I post next time. Driller thriller 20:38, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

My view is that people aren't that interested in party politics and when they look at a page describing an area they don't expect to see a party political broadcast. --SandyDancer 21:09, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm afraid party politics is just how the British political system works and a demonstration of how it represents itself in an area is not only interesting, but positively vital. These election results do not represent a "party political broadcast": they give an elucidation into the dynamic social shifts that have affected the borough over this century. These statistics represent how the borough is changing, they are therefore pretty interesting and I can tell you that when I first came to this page it was content that I was looking for. Like I said before though, more context is always helpful. Driller thriller 21:35, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

So what you are really saying is you personally are interested in politics? Fair enough. So am I. More content is helpful but not where it imbalances an article. --SandyDancer 21:52, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

The point that was being made is that when one says "people... aren't interested in political statistics", one is making a generalisation that might lead us down the wrong path. There is no typical Wikipedia user and therefore we must make a judgement about what content is important in demonstrating a topic to the uninitiated. In this case the changing political trends of the area are important as they represent something much more profound: they represent, though they don't quite demonstrate on their own; hence the need for context. You make a point about "imbalance" though: if you mean that the statistics as they stand at present present a biased view then this is an entirely separate issue and should be dealt with following Wikipedia's POV policies. Driller thriller 22:03, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

QPR

Why has someone added QPR as one of the teams in the area. They are based in Hammersmith and this is a page about Fulham.

QPR are not located in Hammersmith any more than they are located in Fulham.

Suburb?

As a lifelong resident of Fulham, I consider it to be part of London proper and not a suburb. The difference between a town like Fulham and a suburb is easy to see if you venture out of London to some of the genuine suburbs along the A3 corridor - places like Worcester Park. Fulham is lively and multicultural. It is quite chaotic, not pre-planned and sanitised. It has plenty of public housing (including several huge estates and lots of tower blocks). The entertainment options are much wider than you would find in a suburb.

Sometimes I wonder if this page has been written by an estate agent, rather than by someone who has actually spent any time in Fulham, or indeed London. Why all the harping on the price of housing? It makes Fulham seem like a very greedy, mean-spirited, money-obsessed place - and many Fulham residents are not like that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.27.86.188 (talk) 11:22, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Notable residents

This section should be removed since it has no sources, could never be comprehensive and serves no real purpose. If no one objects I plan to delete it.Alistair Stevenson (talk) 13:07, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Here's one: http://www.thefamouspeople.com/profiles/daniel-radcliffe-3737.php backed up imdb.

But the section seems to be missing: The London Times editor John Witherow and the murdered television presenter Jill Dando (Gowan Avenue). Beingsshepherd (talk) 00:50, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

Bias

' ... an elegant botanical garden.'

Isn't that rather subjective? Beingsshepherd (talk) 00:45, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

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Small to Bigger edits

Dear fellow Wikipedians, my small edits have expanded because I found myself in something that read like an estate agent's blurb or the copy from those glossy freebies that drop on the door-mat, not an encyclopaedia! It needs more work in that direction. I am for removing all those 'up and coming' celebs. Fulham has enough pedigree without them. Their time will come, if posterity so ordains. --Po Kadzieli (talk) 00:50, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

Po Kadzieli, you're right, and the articles for many areas of London are quite poor. For "Notable people", Hammersmith next door deals with this much better. It shouldn't matter whether people are young and alive or long dead, as long as they have an article. What is needed is a reliable source noting a Fulham connection. Edwardx (talk) 11:56, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

Thank you Edwardx (talk). I have remodelled the text so much, that there is likely little "incorporation" of Cunliffe's Encyclopædia Britannica article left. Anyway, I recognised a lot of it as a lift from Charles Féret whom I have brought into the text anyway. I have used your fantastic shot of the bridge in the second gallery. Do you think the copyright warning at the bottom of the article can now be removed? Also, I think it deserves a re-rate above 'start-class' on the Talk page. Doubtless you will respond. --Po Kadzieli (talk) 10:56, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

And thank you, Po Kadzieli, for all of your hard work. I've added links to some of the listed buildings mentioned for which I've created articles, and trimmed a bit more. Will see what else I can do. Edwardx (talk) 11:34, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

"Fulham cats"

Can anyone please verify why common black and white moggies are called 'Fulham cats'? Thank you, --Po Kadzieli (talk) 13:50, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

I've lived in Fulham for some years, and have never heard of them. This is uncited and I can find nothing to support it. Deleted. Edwardx (talk) 11:35, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

Diocese of "Fulham and Gibraltar"

There has never been an entity called the 'Diocese of Gibraltar and Fulham' in the Church of England. It's more complicated than that, and is a matter of jurisdictions in Europe. There is a connection since 1980 between the See of London and the Bishop in Europe, based within the Diocese of gibraltar in europe, a separate role, and responsibilities have been carried out by the Suffragan Bishop in Europe and the Suffragan Bishop of Fulham. However, this is too complex and detailed for an article on the area of Fulham. This is my view, others may disagree. --Po Kadzieli (talk) 11:25, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

I think you're right. For this article at least, we should drop all mention of it. Edwardx (talk) 12:09, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

Split?

The notable people section looks a bit unwieldy. Would it make sense to split to List of people from Fulham? AleatoryPonderings (talk) 00:32, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

Music

Why does the article refer to the "notorious" Italian tenor Giovanni Matteo Mario de Candia? Why was he "notorious" - what did he do wrong? NB: "To be notorious means to be well-known for something bad." (Collins Dictionary)ENSOsurfer (talk) 02:30, 30 June 2021 (UTC)