Talk:Gopal Yonzon

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Page Gopal Yonjan which is first of all mispelt as Gopal Yonzon

Hey Nthep,

I am amazed at why you think the you need to edit out the changes I made to the greatly insufficient and flawed page on my father, Gopal Yonjan, Nepali singer, lyricist, composer. First of all please note that he was a NEPALI and not INDIAN singer. Just by this very fact you are discrediting what he is most known for - his patriotic songs. Secondly if you care to read about Nepali music's history, he is among one who is credited to be the usher of the Golden era of Nepali music in the 6o's. If you really wish to know the length and depth of his works please visit the Cornell University's archive: https://rmc.library.cornell.edu/EAD/htmldocs/RMM08534.html

I will be happy to communicate with you via email: (Redacted) to discuss the contributions of the man who you seem to have treated very lightly. It would be great if you could go back to the edits I made as Gopalaya53.

I know that wikipedia doesn't really count as an authentic source of information but I think that this misleading information is highly inappropriate.

Thank you and look forward to hearing from you.

Shrijana Singh Yonjan Daughter of late Gopal Yonjan

@GopalayaGY: I don't deny that the article could be improved but you don't appear to have read the links I left you regarding managing a conflict of interest and neutrality. If you want to propose changes to the article then please do so at Talk:Gopal Yonzon being specific about the proposed wording and as importantly the sources that support the proposed wording. At the moment I see a lot of peacock phrases like Many feel that Gopal's compositions are unparalleled. and He is one of the names behind the Golden Age of Nepali music without any source that establishes these statements to be correct.

Regarding his nationality he was born in India which makes him Indian, I agree he is of Nepalese origin and may better be described as such. Nthep (talk) 15:52, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Hey Nthep,

Please read the history and rules of the land first before you make any assumption on which nationality he is. He was born in Darjeeling, which was part of Nepal initially therefore a lot of Nepali people reside till date in that part of India. And he moved to Kathmandu, Nepal in the mid 60's and took on Nepali citizenship. So you really have to understand the way citizenship works in the rest of the world. It's not like in the US where as soon as you're born you are a born citizen.

Secondly yes, there are proof to the statements that he was one of the pillars of ushering in the golden age of nepali music, I suggest you study nepali music first before you think this is impossible. and yes if you care to talk to nepali music lovers you will hear that many feel that his music is unparalled. Before you apply your general "rules" I suggest you study and understand about the person you are trying to be the authority on.

So I suggest you and I have a decent conversation to remove any clouded versions that you have in your head. My email is (Redacted). and and am willing to talk to you over the phone.

Shrijana Singh Yonjan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GopalayaGY (talk • contribs) 16:01, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

I'll make some general observations.

1. He was born in Darjeeling, as far as I know that was in India at the time of his birth. If he subsequently became a Nepalese citizen then that is a fact to be added but like virtually everything else in this article this assertion lacks references.
2. It is up to you to provide the sources to support your assertions. It is not acceptable to tell me or anyone else "go and read up upon Nepali music". I didn't say it was impossible to establish that he was considered one of the pillars of Nepali music, I said it needed establishing i.e. the addition of sources that the statement is true.
3. Before this goes any further I suggest that you read up on Wikipedia policies regarding sourcing and verifiability. I am not trying to be an authority on your father, I am however trying to ensure that the same standards are applied to an article about him as are expected of any other article. Nthep (talk) 16:22, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

We're also not going to contact you over the phone or email you about this, and we strongly discourage leaving personal contact information on any Wikipedia page, especially the talk page of an editor who's active. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Takes a strong man to deny...} 16:26, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

@GopalayaGY: Let me add to avoid any doubt, nobody is against an article being improved and if there inaccuracies, removing those inaccuracies. However you cannot do this by inserting even more unreferenced material which as far as anyone else knows is equally inaccurate. You started off by saying wikipedia doesn't really count as an authentic source of information well it doesn't get any better if you insist on failing to verify any changes. If you want the article about your father to be a better, more accurate reflection of his life and achievements then you have to play your part by supplying not only the opinions but the references that make it better. Nthep (talk) 17:10, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

I don't think that just because NTHEP is an active editor gives him the authority to make or pass judgements over a person or subject he is totally oblivious of. I do not understand why you cannot read or watch the videos that cite Gopal Yonjan as unparalleled. The videos are in Nepali so you might want to ask for a Nepali expert's advice on it. And yes maybe wikipedia is not considered the most reliable source of information because of this lack of research on the person featured and the attitude which I am having to face. I have seen plenty of mis-information in the case of other Nepali artists too and as a reader I used to feel quite strange as to how that information got transferred. Now I know. If like wikipedia says - it is wi - meaning the public than why is the narrowed down definition of one person - especially someone who lacks knowledge on the subject matter being endorsed as the ultimate "truth"? Please watch and listen to the interviews given by people in the Nepali music and industry and other prominent persons which is in the Cornell university archives.

I do not wish to prolong this unnecessary argument. The best way forward would be for NTHEP as a regular editor of wikipedia to understand that there is a bigger world out there besides narrowing down to a set pattern as you see it. I'm still amazed at the basic flawed information on how NTHEP assumed and argued that Gopal Yonjan was Indian because he was born in India without understanding the global scenario on citizenship. He was born in Darjeeling which used to be part of Nepal but was given to India as part of the treaty with the British - therefore, Nepali people can still be found in majority there. My father wished to be in proper Nepal therefore, moved to Kathmandu in his teens and adopted Nepali citizenship. Let me further share that according to Nepali Law even if you are born in Nepal you do not become a citizen right away. You have to wait for 16 years of your life to go file for citizenship. That too you have to have the proof of who your father is ready in hand. So Please acknowledge the challenge and fight people are fighting even today to establish their citizenship. In the google search box I see that it still pops up as the mispelt version of his name Gopal Yonzon and Indian singer.

Furthermore, the information you have in your site is insufficient. It does not justify the man who covered 16 genres of music in his lifetime. Hope you have the best interest of wikipedia in mind and work at ensuring that the information you include is apt and just. Shrijana — Preceding unsigned comment added by GopalayaGY (talk • contribs) 14:38, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

No, the best way forward would be for you to understand that Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia and that published secondary sources are a requirement. Yes, there is a bigger world out there, but encyclopaedias by definition merely summarise information published in other credible sources, and as such we are limited in a similar way. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Takes a strong man to deny...} 14:49, 29 October 2020 (UTC)