Talk:Goregrind

Psuedo-synonyms

"Gorecore" and "Grindgore" are not real terms for goregrind. They are made up "pseudo-synonyms." And that death vocal article speaks nothing of "Gore growl." Stop adding this. --Ryouga 01:34, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Grindgore is a "pseudo-synonym"? Try telling that to many of the European bands and fans, especially the ones from non-English speaking countries. But gorecore? Maybe. I've only heard/seen it used a few times.

I'll let it slide for now, but please, if you can find a reference to the term in proper usage please do so. (This does not mean some stupid fan going OMG GRINDGORE RULZ and referencing to that. Please have good judgement.) --Ryouga 01:32, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Simplistic again, but google says: goregrind (326,000 hits), gorecore (10,300), grindgore (22,000). Case closed. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 17:56, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Sub-sub-sub-subgenre. This page is retarded. Why do metalheads insist on naming all these ridiculous microgenres? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.189.248.16 (talk) 03:13, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

STOP ADDING CANNIBAL CORPSE

STOP ADDING CANNIBAL CORPSE — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mezmerizer (talk • contribs) 15:43, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

STOP WRITING NONSENSE! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.114.154.210 (talk) 18:07, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

It's a pretty damn nebulous genre anyway. Aren't gory lyrics its only defining criterion? And don't Cannibal Corpse have song names like "Entrails Ripped From a Virgin's Cunt"?

a) Sign your posts; b) it would rather rely on Cannibal Corpse being a grindcore band. If you can find a reliable source stating that Cannibal Corpse are a goregrind band, feel free to add them. If not, please don't. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 14:04, 28 January 2009 (UTC) Cannibis Corpse are not grindcore, they are deathcore

List edits

I edited the list. I've been listening to goregrind since the start and alot of bands listed just had gore subject matter in their lyrics. That is NOT goregrind. Goregrind is a subgenre of grindcore first and formost and death metal certainly has influence. It is NOT death metal with gore lyrics. Though alot of the bands whoever listed are often called goregrind, it's a miss-label and does not represent goregrind. As stated below goregrind is very simplictic, think Scum/FETO era Napalm Death with gore topics and pitch shifted vocals. Some bands listed (Carcass, Impetigo, ect) are not goregrind but had such great influence on the sound that it would be treason not to list them. Exhumed is NOT goregrind and never was. Leave these edits as they're by someone who's followed this genre their entire life. And I'm sorry GVOLTT but I'm afraid you don't know what you're talking about.

Can someone please revert the edits that removed some of the bands on this list that are goregrind? I know for a fact that most of these removed bands are goregrind. Well, at least Exhumed. Thanks if this revert can be done. --G VOLTT 01:04, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Exhumed was goregrind at one point, but shifted to a deathgrind and then an American death metal sound with Scandinavian stylings in the riffs. Debatable whether it qualifies them to be listed here. --Ryouga 01:35, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Exhumed, though certainly influenced by early Carcass and other goregrind bands, is actually Death Metal, or as they would call it 'Gore-Metal'. The main reason being, aside from the lack of Pitch Shifters, that heir riffs are seldom the slide riff staccato riff style they defines grindcore. It is obvious that Exhumed is heavily Thrash driven, filled with triplets and more complex musical arrangments to which spoils the simplicity that goregrind represents.

• Check out lyrics to some of their earlier releases/EPs: [1] (site may be slow at times); they were certainly goregrind then. --G VOLTT 21:02, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Exhumed has definitely been goregrind, and for the majority of their career, actually. They only started to play their heavily thrash-inspired gore metal at around...when Gore Metal was released. If anyone's heard their earlier stuff, it's nothing but goregrind. Carcass worship at its simplest. Excreting Innards, Goregasm, Cadaveric Splatter Platter, that's all total goregrind. They only started to pick up deathgrind influence with Horrific Expulsion Of Gore, and even then it was fairly minimal until the late 90's, and even then they were still much more heavily in goregrind. In The Name Of Gore had lots of deathgrind influence, but right after that Chords Of Chaos was ultra-brutal and simplistic goregrind, so they were always changing back to their roots. I think they should definitely be added, even if they're known more for their thrashy gore metal work (but then Carcass is here, and they're known more for their Heartwork and afterwards material). Durandal1717 (talk) 22:04, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

somebody add mortician they are one of the pionores of goregrind (1987)

HAHA

Goregrind? Are you guys serious? -Mandonine 02:09, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

HEAVY METAL IS SERIOUS BUSINESS! — Hex (❝?!❞) 15:04, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

What the are you talkign about ? pitch shifters, bands like Goregul, Torsofuck dont use a pitchshifters in their music. It is unwritten rule to be honest that you dont use pitch shifters in vocals...

If you're going to mention Carcass...

I think Impetigo deserves attention as well, as they're considered the "gods of goregrind" by many in the community. Other bands, such as Repulsion (for their use of explicit gore-themed lyrics) and Dead Infection (one of the earlier bands in the genre) may deserve mention also, but I think Impetigo should be cited as an influential band right along Carcass, at the very least. 65.67.100.161 06:49, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Impetigo - yes. They are mentioned and it could be expanded a little. About Repulsion, again, "gore-themed lyrics + grindcore music" is not enough to make a band goregrind. Repulsion was, as far as I can tell, the first grindcore band in the world, but for me their sound is not goregrind at all. Dead Infection, definately goregrind, was strongly influenced and predated by both Napalm Death and Carcass. Regards. --Kubanczyk 22:38, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Influences...

Is it plausible to include "extreme electronics" or "power electronics" in the influences, possibly with the specification of "speedcore" or "noisecore"? Take into account bands such as The Berzerker which are considered "goregrind". Jotsko (talk) 10:11, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

If only one a few bands have this influence, it shouldn't be added. In general, sources need to be found for any new information in this article (WP:NOR). Aryder779 (talk) 21:57, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

List

Added a list and a couple of references... hope this is OK with everyone. The bands I added to the list were the ones I immediately had references for, so I hope there is no problem with any of the inclusions; I recommend we limit it to bands with such references. Just for the record, Carcass, Impetigo, Repulsion, Haemorrhage, Dead Infection, LDoH, TCME and General Surgery are all mentioned in the Terrorizer Goregrind article (#181), Regurgitate is name-checked by Dan Lilker in the liner-notes to Grind Your Mind as being goregrind, and Exhumed and Impaled are classified as such in the Purcell book. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 13:37, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

a lot of the bands on the list are not goregrind. aborted has always been death metal. cattle decapitation is death/grind...only their earliest stuff had a slight goregrind connection. cenotaph is brutal death metal. exhumed is death/grind. repulsion is older than the goregrind genre itself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Abolishthedarkness (talk • contribs) 06:35, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Please go and read core Wikipedia policies, specifically WP:OR, WP:NPOV, WP:RS and WP:V. If it is sourced, it stays; all you are offering is your opinion. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 13:33, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

i'm sure there are plenty sources that all that remains is a death metal band. and more than enough to justify calling fall out boy a punk band. the media isn't right all the time. 67.121.224.96 (talk) 02:26, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Ah, but Wikipedia is concerned with verifiability, not truth. You may not think that the media is "right", but if it sourced (see WP:RS concerning what is considered "reliable" for WP standards), then it can be included in any given article. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 14:02, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Some of the bands from here could be notable, but many of these names are too rude for wikipedia because it is not a soapbox. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Syxxpackid420 (talk • contribs) 14:25, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

References

Deathgrind? and other issues as well

So, Goregrind = Deathgrind? If so, then the article is not clear enough about that & it should be mentioned in the main Death metal article as well somewhere. By the way, wikipedia in general is not clear enough about a lot of things, grindcore, for example: is it a kind of extreme metal now? is it Hardcore Punk? is it a fusion genre? is it a kind of death metal? what about Gore/Deathgrind? has it been influenced by death metal or extreme metal (wikipedia's oppinion on that question seems to change a lot...)? and another thing: the article contradicts itself: is Death/Goregrind different from Grindcore because of it's death metal influences? because of the low vocals? or is it the same with different lyrics (wich would make the article superflous). 85.5.155.191 (talk) 17:46, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Goregrind

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Goregrind's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "terrorizer":

• From Grindcore: "Powerviolence: The Dysfunctional Family of Bllleeeeaaauuurrrgghhh!!". Terrorizer no. 172. July 2008. p. 36-37.
• From Deathgrind: Schwarz, Paul, "Death Metal|Death/Grind" (2006). Terrorizer #150, p. 54.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 15:21, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Types

I don't like how bands like Repulsion, who use violent splatter horror, are compared to those like General Surgery, Lymphatic Phlegm, Carcass, who use medical rot imagery. Then there's Regurgitate, who writes scatological stuff. I think it should be clearer about the distinction(s) - violent scat and blood stuff is usually sharper and more aggressive, whereas medi-grind is more rounded... less aggressive and more intending to make full use of the frets. A.K.A. the Carcass clones LP, GS, TCME, Pathologist...

There's also the stuff that seems to mention sexual organs/fluids as well as scat. That is in no way related to Carcass. Then there's 'new goregrind' - bands that appear on the internet in loads and are pretty much brutal deathcore in the vein of Waking the Cadaver, with completely pitchshifted vocals and distorted guitars.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.107.132.185 (talk) 06:06, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

I think it's more of a music-based distinction, instead of a lyrical-based distinction. But if you can find some reliably-sourced material discussing this sort of thing, add it in and cite your source. MrMoustacheMM (talk) 20:39, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Merge with deathgrind

Before this page is merged with deathgrind, some sort of discussion should occur first. If you want to merge the page, add a merge tag (Template:Merge to) and let's take it from there. Personally, I don't see why they should be merged, as while they are related, they are not one and the same (Aborted and Neuraxis are not the same as Haemorrhage and Regurgitate, for example). MrMoustacheMM (talk) 01:47, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Against such merge. They are not equal, they are not very similar, one have not emerged from another. Merging in this case will only cause confusion (i.e. the last re-arrangement would imply, maybe not with words but with the layout of article, that goregrind emerged as a sub-genre of deathgrind; this is false). --Kubanczyk (talk) 08:40, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Well, goregrind is obviously a subgenre of deathgrind. Goregrind is literally deathgrind (death metal+grindcore) with certian lyrical focus (as the articles indicate), so it officially falls under it. I'm just concentrating the information into one reader-friendly place instead of dispersing it into a number of different chaotic places with "See also" tag. Just like Death metal#Subgenres - transparency. But anyway, if you wish to have a ton of weak articles instead of a strong one, just for the sake of having a separate article for every single sub-genre that has ever existed, then here you go. I don't care, i'm just bold while editing. But at least undo it properly. I added information into the article after the merge and you just removed it; so fix it, please. Thanks--  LYKANTROP  ✉ 10:20, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Well, goregrind is obviously a subgenre of deathgrind. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 02:01, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

I think they should be merged. I see absolutely no different between the two genres. It's like saying avant-garde metal and experimental metal are different things when they're just two different terms for the same classification. • GunMetal Angel 07:14, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

There's absolutely no indication that the two terms are synonymous (or pornogrind for that matter), but an argument could be made that goregrind is subgenre of deathgrind, if such a source is found. I'm unconvinced; I think the two are distinct, have a degree of crossover, but essentially evolved separately. The existence of articles on both kinds of band in the same magazines (Terrorizer and Zero Tolerance) suggests that journalists also make this distinction. Blackmetalbaz

I think I could see a merge between Goregrind and Pornogrind before I could see one between Goregrind and Deathgrind. That being said, if anyone can show some good sources that say Goregrind and Deathgrind are one and the same, then bring them up here. MrMoustacheMM (talk) 21:18, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

(talk) 19:35, 30 January 2012 (UTC) Subgenres are stupid ¬_¬ • GunMetal Angel 20:31, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Who took it off?

In order to define and distinguish goregrind from other extreme metal genres and their sub genres, I thought it would be perfect to add that goregrind uses down tuned guitars and basses, played with heavy distortion. Vocals are shifted low, giving the sound of belching or vomiting. Drum patterns consist of blast beats and hardcore D-beat patterns. Album covers are taken from photos of accidents and crime scenes. Why did this get pulled down? RadiumMetal (talk) 01:10, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Do you have a source for that? Blackmetalbaz (talk) 11:03, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

I took it off, as it was unsourced, and mostly redundant, as there is already plenty of (sourced) information in that section on how Goregrind sounds (much of which your addition simply repeated). MrMoustacheMM (talk) 16:53, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

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