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Haran = Haran?

I suspect that Haran, the father of Lot, and Haran, the father of Milcah and Iscar, are two different men. There's no reason to assume that Nahor would not have married his niece (after all Abram married his half sister (Gen 20.12)), but the phrase "Haran the father of Milcah and Iscar", without mention of Lot, seems intended to disambiguate him from Haran the father of Lot. Koro Neil (talk) 06:25, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

One could say that the reason Lot wasn't mentioned is because he'd already been, too verses earlier. SamEV (talk) 18:56, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Origin of the Name

There is an issue about the origin of the name Haran attributed to this location in the bible. If anyone can state how the name 'Haran' came to be attributed to this location in Genesis 11:28, it would be much appreciated.

Thanks, Jasonasosa (talk) 17:10, 13 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I came here seeking to see if there is etymology-connection between Harran and Naram considering that Harran observed the moon before it became SIN (Shulgi's son Amar-SIN). To answer you; MOTIVE IS PROOF (at least in court-circus it is). As for the city Harran with the person Haran, I offer you the route of Haran from his city Ur to Babel to Nineveh to Harran Syria. That he traveled is fact that he came HOME to Ur to die. So i offer how he came home to Ur from Harran Syria via the book of Jasher. Our Eusebius and Jasher gives an answer. BEFORE Marduk was a 71-year Jupiter of 6 orbits (72 years of 360-day then 6 Days of 6 orbits as 36 orbits for Abram's 427 years); or before 2009bc declared (84 of 360-day) 83-year Jupiter of 7 orbits (thrice); Marduk has every indication of being 52-year Mars (of 780-day in 360-day = 51.25 Julian). Regarding 52-year Marduk Temple (2060-2009bc),it appears Amorite Samu-Abum (1894bc) changed 6 days of 52-year (312 =308 Julian until 2060bc) to be 6 days of 39-year (234 =231 Julian until 2009bc). Eusebius confusing Assyrian Ninus (1270bc) with Nimrod presumes 52-year Nineveh is the 52-year Marduk Temple of Babel/Babylon and so places 52-year Nineveh as 2058-2007bc Abram in year 43. Because chronology pivots on a 2018bc Abram (and lunar-city Isan) it seems clear 52-year Marduk Temple at Babel is 2060-2009bc versus age of Nineveh 2058-2007bc. The point is first error by Jasher claims Ur is Babel (Babel is Ur), it requires Haran to leave Ur to go to Babel; and from there it says Nimrod went to Nineveh which means these two men did not build in 2 years but merely set up all the supervising authorities and employees (the politics of who are masters and who are slaves), and moved on to do so at Nineveh because it is only 2 years from 2060-2058bc. This puts Haran in Nineveh where he is now in the mountains to go west and build Harran. WikiPedia says Harran means mountain so calls him mountaineer, or mountain-climber. But also understand that building a ziggurat is a mountain-builder where neither Ur nor Babel has mountains. But Harran Syria is in mountains and does build a lunar-ziggurat copy of Ur. WHEN? Jasher answers that by saying Abram was born in the 32nd year of Harran. With Terah 70 when Haran is born his brother is born a 60-year Jupiter (59 Julian) later. This is confirmed by Mars 208-year (=205 Julian of Terah) being 4x 52 year, 16x 13 year. However, with Abram born with Terah at 70 in the 32nd year of Haran means Terah is a 39-year Mars that in 31 years becomes 70.

DETAILS= This makes Terah a Marduk and 39 years later Haran a Marduk trying to force father to son births in units of 39 years. The chronologies prove this from 2165bc Nahor to 2126bc Terah/2127bc to 2088bc Terah or Haran to 2049bc Haran or Harran Syria. The solution is obvious seeing that Abram if 2018bc is the 32nd year of Harran Syria built in 2049bc. Haran built Harran when he was 29. And this is why when Terah is 70 the following 60 years get divided as Haran 29 +31 of his city, so that 70 minus 31 claims Terah was 39 when Haran was first born. Thus Terah is either 2088bc Terah when 2167bc Nahor is 79, or 39 years earlier Terah is 2127bc when Serug is 79. Reu as ruler is shifted from being 2207bc (1460-year 365 leap days to 747bc) to being Chinese Yu 2205bc who is 79 in 2126bc Terah. Thus Terah falls 21 years later as Jasher/Ussher 2127bc instead of 2148bc. What it means is Terah was age 21, (21+39 of Mars is the missing 60 years) not newborn Marduk when Sar Reu (czar Reu or sharReu) made his son Serug (Sar-Reu-Gi) as Mesh-Kiang-NaNa and the historic system of 1894bc Babylon decided it was Terah's birth as a Marduk. To verify this fact we have Eber at age 463 dying 3 years after Abram, but reducing the 60 years means to die 3 years after Abram he is then only Septuagint age 403.75.86.64.46 (talk) 15:14, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The name of the person Haran in Hebrew has nothing to do with the place Harran which is spelled quite differently in Hebrew. This has been stated many times already. Til Eulenspiegel (talk) 17:16, 13 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It needs to be restated again, because it is misleading to non Hebrew speaking people and there is no article anywhere, that I know of, that discusses this. Please direct me to that article that talks about this subject so that the proper editing of this article can be done. The only reference to Harran in this article is that some people think that it is the same place as Haran. It does not say that the modern city of Harran was named after the person Haran. It may be that the location Haran is not the same place as modern day Harran... and if that is a debate... then we have to discuss that too. Thanks, Jasonasosa (talk) 17:26, 13 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, first we need sources so we can attribute who thinks or thought they were not the same place. I don't think it is much of a debate where is meant by the place Haran, but if any source does place it somewhere else, we can certainly attribute that viewpoint. Til Eulenspiegel (talk) 18:09, 13 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I found text dated in the 1800s that say that they are the same place. But I wish there was modern input. The thing is... though the Hebrew spelling differs.. its slight and the settlement was established before 2000 BC.. the name could have been modified in later years just as many locations names change. There has to be a source that can say that Harran is in no way associated with the person's name Haran... and I really dont believe thats true, even with the slight variation in Hebrew.

Further, there were many locations attributed to the forefathers... such as Terah, and Nahor!Jasonasosa (talk) 18:39, 13 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sure we can find a source explaining that the place (Harran, Haran or Charan) and the person (Haran, with a different initial Hebrew letter) are distinct. I'll look myself when I get a chance. Any other assertions or speculations should be similarly attributed. The story seems to me to be that the city was already there well before Terah and the others moved there from Ur, so they didn't build it or name it after someone from their family with a similar name who had died in Ur. Til Eulenspiegel (talk) 18:48, 13 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The author of the story is not obliged to tell us the etemology of all the places he mentions. It was kind of him to even mention Zoar. In fact, the mentioning of Zoar occured well before Lot entered Zoar to call it Zoar. The author just knows it by its name... Just like Haran. The author could have done the same thing... Calling Haran what it is and saying that the family went to it. He doesnt have to give a chronological "How to spread peanut butter & Jelly" account Jasonasosa (talk) 19:20, 13 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]