Talk:Humiliatrix

This article was nominated for deletion on 18 June 2007. The result of the discussion was merge and redirect to erotic humiliation.

stub category

How does this relate to feminism? Shouldn't this be considered an erotica or BDSM stub?

Changed stub catagorization from feminism to BDSM. Also added porn stub because I considered the term more erotica-based, tho a review of related Wikipedia links suggests the term is in use in BDSM circles, at least on Wikipedia. edgarde 09:38, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Disagree with porn stub classification, as it is terminology used in the BDSM sub culture, and has nothing to do with pornography. Pornography being generally visually based means of creating sexual arousal, while this term speaks about actual people and how they behave in their sub-culture. Sub-cultures are not pornography, even if they are found by others to be offensive. Removed incorrect classification based on that. Atomaton 23:37, 8 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know enough about this subject as a real-world practice, so I erred toward treating the subject as possibly fictitious. Thanks for fixing my mistake. edgarde 08:06, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

history

As far as I know, the term originated with humiliatrix.com, a commercial sex website affiliated with Whap! magazine. Does anyone know of an earlier popular usage? edgarde 10:45, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Term has been used prior to the website, but that site may be the first documented source. Atomaton 23:37, 8 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

First recorded usage of the term appears in the 1853 edited copy of the Diary and Autobiography of Edmund Bohun Esq 1645-1699 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.44.156.88 (talk) 14:04, 11 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This is addressed below, specifically under Notability of sources. / edg ☺ ☭ 14:08, 18 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Merge this, please?

This page is unsourced and seems to be redundant, as it contains no information not already included in erotic humiliation. Might it just be merged into that article?68.229.162.166 01:35, 18 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree - merge with erotic humiliation.

The discussion for this merge is at Talk:Erotic_humiliation. Please join in. – edgarde 03:59, 27 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

portmanteau? pas de tout

The term is a portmanteau that combines "humiliation" and "dominatrix".

I disagree. The term "humiliatrix" is nothing more than a form of the word "humiliator", the -trix or -ess suffixes serving only to create a feminine form of the same word (much like mediator/mediatrix, executor/executrix, actor/actress, waiter/waitress, god/goddess et al). The French equivalents would be -trice (as in acteur/actrice) and -euse (as in masseur/masseuse). --66.102.66.118 20:42, 2 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"pedestrian malls"?

That really doesn't seem to make too much sense... AnonMoos 05:25, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Prod

Why o why does this article come up for deletion yet again? It has been strenuously covered in detail and in dialectic before.

HUMILIATRIX refers to a female humiliator and is independent of erotic implications, as mentioned previously.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.69.40.187 (talk) 10:22, 29 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Then please address the concerns, and provide some sources. Mdwh 10:42, 29 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The issues this article had when last discussed in 2006 (100% unsourced original research, lack of notable sources, redundant with Erotic humiliation) have not been fixed. That discussion had two (2) signed-in editors, and can hardly be considered "strenuously covered in detail and in dialectic" (to used the anon editor's term).

... it is better to have no information, than to have information like this, with no sources.
— Jimbo Wales, [1]

Merge it already. As this article is completely unsourced, a delete and redirect would be sufficient. / edgarde 01:15, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hello - I would edit the entry but I don't know how to. Dannydog 02:10, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

At long last, sources

Here are some bits of information:-

The first recorded instance of the term Humiliatrix appears in the 1853 edited copy of the Diary and Autobiography of Edmund Bohun Esq 1645-1699. (Translated from latin literally meaning 'female who humiliates', and in this instance as humbler of human pride - humani fastigū humiliatrix).

http://books.google.com/books?id=WiwAAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA23&dq=EDMUND+BOHUN+ESQ+humiliatrix

More recently, the term maintains popular usage within the realm of erotic humiliation, to describe a female who humiliates a submissive partner. Here are just a cross-section of links from the depths of the fetish-world that illustrates it's popular usage:-

http://www.niteflirt.com/listingdetails/Fetish/Domina-Ava/0-0-0-5577503
http://www.niteflirt.com/listingdetails/Search-Results/CUCKOLD-HUMILIATRIX/0-0-0-5501230
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=humiliatrix
http://www.niteflirt.com/listingdetails/Search-Results/GoddessMya/0-0-0-6743302
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/japanesehumiliatrix/
http://www.princesskali.com/indexg.php
http://www.niteflirt.com/listingdetails/Search-Results/princessaddiction/0-0-0-5511496
http://www.steamyadultstories.com/howIbecamedaddyshumiliatrix.htm
http://humiliateme.org/public-pillory.html
http://www.mistress-v.com/2007/02/25/ego-killing-pride-stomping-small-penis-humiliatrix/
http://www.oxbeeco.com/humiliatrix/
http://www.bitchybeauty.com/domain.html
http://www.niteflirt.com/listingdetails/Search-Results/Lady-Ashley/0-0-0-5421569
http://princessamy2u.livejournal.com/3329.html
http://www.niteflirt.com/listingdetails/Search-Results/MISTRESS-NADIA-ATLANTA/0-0-0-6798499

In addition, the term was recently adopted by the adult website Humiliatrix.com which provides related fetish based material.

http://www.humiliatrix.com

Dannydog 02:10, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Notability of sources

Thanks Dannydog. This is definitely a start, and the preponderance of sources suggests there's something going on here. However, most of these sources are by themselves not reliable. urbandictionary.com is the worst example because anyone can add a made-up definition there.

The Edmund Bohun is the most interesting, and comes close to being useful. However it still may be of questionable notability — it's a latin term used in a Latin passage from an obscure, privately pressed book. How could that usage have passed into any modern vernacular?

I'll add it to the article though since it's the best we got.

Bohun, Edmund. Rix, S. Wilton (ed.). The Diary And Autobiography Of Edmund Bohun, Esq (PDF). privately printed. Retrieved 2007-05-31. Ei tu sola terribilis et verissima humsni fastigi humiliatrix, tu enim ownes sequales facis. {{cite book}}: Cite has empty unknown parameters: |month= and |chapterurl= (help)

Can someone translate this latin? / edgarde 10:44, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've no doubt that people use the word - let's face it, it's an obvious enough word that many people have probably made it up independently of others. But that doesn't mean we should have an article for every made up word - especially when most of what it describes can go in a more appropriate article anyway (erotic humiliation).

I agree that most of those are not notable or reliable, with the interesting exception of Edmund Bohun. As for Humiliatrix.com - then either that website is notable, in which case the term is better described on a Wikipedia article Humiliatrix.com, and if it isn't notable, then it's not notable regarding the usage of the word "humiliatrix" either. Mdwh 00:18, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A lot of what exists in this entry is already covered in erotic humiliation. However, given the cultural virulence of the term, I don't think it should be deleted or merged either. I think the solution therefore is to strip the entry right down to that of a stub. Any objections? Dannydog 00:44, 21 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Entry Re-Write

Entire entry as now been re-written (June 26 2007) Chemical Princess 14:23, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, but this re-write addresses none of the problems for which this article was deleted. To quote the AfD nomination, [a]pparent original research, devoid of supporting cites. If anything, this is more WP:OR than before. Restoring redirect.

See above discussion and the deletion debate for more details on what's wrong. / edgarde 16:41, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]