Talk:Huntingdon

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I live in Huntingdon as well and I have to say that this page could do with some updating. nmak3000

I live in Huntingdon. Please CREATE THE PAGE!!!

I'm puzzled, Wikipedia is a collaborative effort. If you live in Huntingdon why not add some information yourself? All you need to do is view the Huntingdon page, click on the 'Edit this page' link, and start typing!
You can add new material, correct anything you see that's wrong, provide a picture, link to local Huntingdon Web sites - whatever you feel will improve the page.
Go for it! It's fun to do and will help the Wikipedia project. You can get more detail on editing at the 'How to edit' page.
Chrisjj

Cambridgeshire[edit]

Surely the list of Huntingdon schools doesn't belong in the 'Notoriety' section? Or is there something about them that we haven't been told. - CJB

Owain, why have you just removed the reference to Cambridgeshire from the lead section of this article? Huntingdon is in the modern county of Cambridgeshire and the article really should say so. The reference to Huntingdonshire is not necessary in the first paragraph and should be moved to the main body of the article, perhaps where the history of the town is mentioned.

Your edit is in breach of the current Wikipedia policy on British county names which, as you know, is being reviewed, under these circumstances it's normal to avoid making changes of this sort. I'd be grateful if you'd restore the page until the policy is agreed. Whoopsie - I forgot to sign the above Chris Jefferies 18:05, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for adding back a reference to Cambridgeshire, 80.255. I've decided to restore it to the original wording until the policy discussions are finished. Hopefully it can be left like this until then. Chris Jefferies 18:12, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

How can my edit be in breach of policy? You yourself wrote this in the Naming conventions article: "I wonder if we might at least agree that it's neither necessary nor desirable to use counties to inform readers where towns or villages are. Most Wikipedia users are not British and won't be familiar with our counties; articles about places can and perhaps should use the automatic map template which is more precise than the county and cannot be misinterpreted.". This article has a map, in an infobox that mentions Cambridgeshire as the administrative county and Huntingdonshire are the traditional county. Therefore by your own statement above, the "in Cambridgeshire" part of the opening sentence is redundant, can be misinterpreted and you wouldn't want it there. So remove it. Owain 12:30, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

OK, Cambridgeshire reference is removed from the lead paragraph, indeed from the entire article. Perhaps you will now be good enough to also remove the lead paragraph references to Huntingdonshire. When the policy debate is over and we have a decision we can rebuild the article accordingly.

In fact, we're not expected to remove existing text during these discussions, but we are supposed to refrain from making further changes. And that's what I was objecting to. Chris Jefferies 14:31, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

I think we can probably have a section near the end of the article describing the county vs. local government situation if we can agree on the wording. I have to agree though that a simple opening sentence plus the infobox is quite an elegant solution. Owain 10:32, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
Good, it's quite refreshing to be discussing this in a friendly way, but we'll have to see how others react. Thanks Owain. Chris Jefferies 12:03, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Cambridgeshire[edit]

Huntingdon is in Cambridgeshire it is part of its geographic identityHuntingdon (disambiguation). Removing it is corruption.--IanDavies 18:49, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

  • I support strongly your efforts to erradicate the preposterous POV pushing of the "Traditional county" campaign.--Mais oui! 19:25, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
That's not what you wrote on my talk page about traditional counties — quote "That term has a very definite, current meaning in England and Wales". Owain (talk) 15:03, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
Your a vandal with an Axe to grind why will anyone listen to you?--84.9.211.38 15:09, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
I have no axe to grind, just a wish to see all information presented in an unbiased way. How can you possibly object to the factual wording in the agreed opening sentence? You can't. This was agreed upon a log time before you joined and subsequently got banned from Wikipedia. Owain (talk) 15:38, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
It is not factual Huntingdon is in Cambridgeshire end of story. You a POV Vandal are you a member of County Watch or the organisation teh Assocation of British COunties. Which you prompote so avidly.--84.9.211.91 19:11, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
I'm not quite sure why I'm rising to the bait here but you don't really know what a "PoV vandal" is do you? The two PoVs here are that Huntingdon is in Cambridgeshire or Huntingdonshire. You will notice that the agreed wording in this and other articles is neutral — i.e. promoting neither PoV. The infobox provides all the relevant details and the opening paragraph is designed to offend no-one. Only someone as easily antagonised as you could possibly find fault with it. Owain (talk) 20:00, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
Huntingdon is NOT in Cambridgeshire. It is in Huntingdonshire. The government reorganization which took place in 1974 changed only ADMINISTRATIVE boundaries, not ACTUAL county boundaries. This was confirmed by the government at the time, and has been reiterated on quite a few occasions since. 91.125.63.198 (talk) 12:48, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
Sorry, but Huntingdonshire hasn't existed as a county since 1974 - the "shire" bit was tagged on to the name of Huntingdon District Council after the failed attempt in the 90s to gain unitary status. The District council is just that, a district of Cambridgeshire for the official map of Counties and Unitaries and a background see the ONS Page --C Hawke (talk) 13:47, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
Not true - the administrative county of Huntingdon was abolished in 1965, but that itself was only created in 1889. What you have linked to is an administrative map which shows administrative areas that are referred to as counties only for the purposes of the Local Government Act 1972. Owain (talk) 14:27, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
Precisely. Various acts relating to local government administration may have redefined those administrative boundaries, but they did not decree that actual county boundaries would be moved or that any counties would cease to exist. So it's completely incorrect to say that "Huntingdonshire hasn't existed as a county since 1974." The various local authorities concerned have confused the issue by taking it upon themselves to erect misleading signs at their ADMINISTRATIVE boundaries, but doing it in such a way that it suggests these are actual county boundaries, which is probably in no small part responsible for people believing that the ACTUAL county boundaries have moved. They have not: Huntingdonshire still exists, Hull was always in Yorkshire, Manchester is in Lancashire, Bournemouth is in Hampshire, etc.
Here are a few of the quotes mentioned above:
"The new county boundaries are administrative areas, and will not alter the traditional boundaries of counties {.....}" - Govt. statement published in The Times in April 1974.
"I can confirm that the Government still stand by this statement, that the local authority areas and boundaries introduced in April 1974 do not alter the traditional boundaries of counties." - Michael Portillo, Minister of State for Local Government, 11th July 1990
"The Local Government Act 1972 did not abolish traditional counties, only administrative ones. Although for local government purposes some of the historic counties have ceased to be administrative areas, they continue to exist for other purposes, organisations and local groups." - Statement from Dept. of Environment, 1990
"I can confirm that these Acts (1933, 1972) did not specifically abolish traditional counties, so traditional counties still exist but no longer for the purposes of the administration of local Government...." - Statement issued by Dept. for Communities & Local Govt., August 2006

91.125.63.198 (talk) 19:19, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

I think the " purposes, organisations and local groups." is a give away, basically, if you want to you can use the term, in the same way as Mercia and Anglia are still used today, and these ceased to exist at around the time of the Norman conquest, so fine, still refer to it as a "historic" or "traditional" county, but as far as all statistic, information and governance are concerned it doesn't exist. --C Hawke (talk) 10:00, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
I don't think anyone is disputing that the traditional boundaries of Huntingdonshire aren't used as administrative boundaries for various government functions any more. But that's not the same thing as saying that Huntingdonshire was abolished and no longer exists, or that Huntingdon is not still in Huntingdonshire. Nobody can produce any legal reference which says that Huntingdonshire was to be abolished, that the Berkshire/Buckinghamshire border or the Berkshire/Oxfordshire border were to change, etc., because no such decree has ever been made. The various modern local government acts only changed the administrative area boundaries which were themselves created only in the 19th century. The acts refer to the changes as being only for the purposes of local government, and the government of the time confirmed that it was _not_ decreeing the change of actual county boundaries, only of the administrative areas. Confusion has arisen through the terminology used, and by the modern local authorities misplacing "Welcome to _____shire" signs at the borders of "their" territory instead of where they belong, at the actual county boundaries. 91.125.210.60 (talk) 23:27, 25 August 2012 (UTC)


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As I live there I would like to inform everyone that Huntingdon is also well Gangsta!--Djjazzyjeff69 19:27, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Where are the bloody demographics?!!!, and how far north of London are we?!!!, Please someone sort it out and have a word!--Djjazzyjeff69 16:35, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

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