Talk:I'm Poppy

Plot

Does anyone have a plot? I haven't seen it, so am looking forward to a plot summary. Randy Kryn (talk) 20:21, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

(January 2018) Edit warring and repeated addition of improperly referenced information by article creator

Theleam is showing WP:OWNership of this article by continuing to add information to the article that has not been properly cited. The continued defense for the adding of this information is WP:OTHERSTUFF and the non-reliable IMDb. Theleam and other editors are reminded that only an administrator can remove Talk page content (or the adding-editor themselves). BoogerD (talk) 05:51, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

I'm not trying to show ownership of anything. The distributor claim is the only thing I have been arguing with you about. I haven't said a word about any of your other many edits. So please refrain from falsely accusing me of WP:OWNership. And if you want to complain that I'm edit warring, realize you have been doing the exact same thing. Also, you say that my sourcing is not reliable and I mention other pages. If you do not believe that the common knowledge shared by the YouTube community is good enough for us to allow it on this page, why don't you reference a source that accurately shows why YouTube, and not YouTube Red, is the distributor? Theleam (talk) 06:11, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Fair point, I will remove YouTube as distributor until a good reference can be found. BoogerD (talk) 06:17, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

I'll agree with that. Seems like a good compromise. Theleam (talk) 06:26, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Sounds good. Not trying to accuse anyone of anything or get on anyone's bad side. I certainly apologize if I have come across that way. Just here trying to make sure Wikipedia is as good as it can be. Been at it for 10 years. I hope we can be friendly and hopefully collaborate together to make some well-written and well-informed pages on here. Hope you have a nice evening. BoogerD (talk) 06:31, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Yes, I understand. It's always of the utmost importance on here to be sure information is reliable and accurate. I'll be looking for a good source soon that we can both agree on. A good evening to you as well. Theleam (talk) 06:38, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Is it a series already?

Has there been any official word (from the creative or promotional side) on whether this will go on? From what I've read, it just seems that way because it's 23 minutes long and follows a series of YouTube videos. If there's something definitive either way, it should go in the article. We have Titanic Sinclair calling "it" a show. Show can mean series, but shows that "premiere" at film festivals are a bit different from TV shows, even if they're about TV shows. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:28, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Well right off the bat, in most articles found covering the show's release the first episode is being referred to as "the series' pilot". It is currently unknown if subsequent episodes are currently being written, are in actual production, or when they will be released but the production is most definitely a series. Note that the logo in front of the solely released episode says "YouTube Red Original Series" and not "YouTube Red Original Movie". As for television episodes premiering at film festivals? That's actually incredibly common. The pilot being screened at the Sundance Film Festival is not unusual in the slightest. Take for instance the Berlin Film Festival. They have an entire line-up of episodes of new television series (https://www.screendaily.com/news/berlin-film-festival-reveals-tv-series-pitch-line-up/5125734.article). I hope everything included in this response cleared some things up. Have a nice evening! BoogerD (talk) 04:37, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Clears up the part about TV shows sometimes premiering at festivals. Thanks. But I'm still a bit wary of the way the Verge article twice says it's "supposed to" be a series and "packaged as" a pilot. Things aren't always as they seem, and that seems to have become this crew's thing. Meta for meta's sake, making us think about the future. Of course, that might mean it really is a series, going the conventional route as a departure from the usual weirdness, like a swerve-within-a-swerve. I guess we'll have to see. For now, if most everyone else wants to treat it as a series, that's cool by me. Just wondering where the idea started. InedibleHulk (talk) 07:30, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

I think the idea of it being a series stemmed from YouTube. They don't put just anything on their YouTube Red service which is made up of select original content hidden behind a paywall. YouTube very clearly placed a "YouTube Red Original Series" logo in front of the pilot. I'm not sure how much more clear it could be from YouTube's end. The Verge article is written by a reporter and so, inevitably, with their secondhand perspective it is susceptible to errors or misleading wording. BoogerD (talk) 07:37, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

I get that. But whatever sort of deal YouTube has with them, they're in it together. So if the aim is to hoodwink, not placing the logo so clearly would tip viewers off. If the aim is to promote a new series, it would look exactly the same. Too soon for certainty, I think, but thanks for the help. InedibleHulk (talk) 07:57, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

I think you may be overthinking it a bit. Lol. Also, I reread the Verge article and think you might be misinterpreting what it said. They were merely commenting on the fact that YouTube hasn't released further information on the rest of the first season yet not questioning as to whether or not the production was a series or something else. BoogerD (talk) 08:48, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Everyone draws a different line between thinking and overthinking. As a man who submitted a college essay detailing how WrestleMania IV, V and VII heralded the 2000 election screwjob, 9/11 and the invasion of Iraq, I'd say I'm relatively underthinking this one. But yeah, I tend to go out on limbs more than most, so you may be right.

As for the Verge, though, I'm pretty sure I'm of sound mind. The show (verbatim, emphasis mine) is supposed to channel the weirdness of Poppy’s short videos into a more traditional TV series pilot. But unlike most of Poppy’s videos, it straightforwardly explains its weirdness — unless that’s just another feint in an elaborate narrative game. Surrealist, metatextual parody of the media industry and YouTube stardom, packaged as a half-hour TV show pilot. Self-aware jokes. Well-explored ideas about artificiality and stardom. Feels like another puzzle piece in Poppy’s multilayered backstory. It’s supposed to be the start of a series, but there’s no release date for future episodes.

If those italics aren't conveying it for you, consider this (consider this!): A series always runs in serial (and parables always parallel). But suppose an episode is supposed to be the start, though is said to seem (even "to relative outsiders") an extension of one's minimalist videos, where one stands in a white void delivering vague inspirational exhortations to one's followers. Now let's say those followers subscribe to YouTube Red, anticipating a second coming at an unknown release date.

2018 draws to a close and they cry "Why hast thou forsaken us, YouTube?" Verily, YouTube might say unto them, "But were you not following all along? Were you not intrigued by her eating cotton candy, not engrossed by the Charlotte drama, not astounded by the technical mastery of "Let's Make a Video"? Did you not like the plant, comment on the skeleton, weep when she was on the floor, rejoice when she wore a carrot and above all else, share the looping repetition of her name?"

And as 2019 dawns, they will turn to their neighbour and simultaneously realize YouTube had never lied to them after all. It was a "YouTube Red Original Series", originally on YouTube and culminating exclusively on Red. They will ponder the misleading nature of authoritative words and their own innate tendency to see a door opening when another closes, then all go out for some frosty chocolate milkshakes. No? InedibleHulk (talk) 23:23, January 27, 2018 (UTC)

You may be my favorite person that I've met on here. Haha. Seriously, I really enjoyed reading your prose there.

I will say, it is not uncommon for networks (or in this case a streaming service) to air a pilot and then gauge viewer interest before proceeding with further production. That was the cast back in the day of traditional broadcast networks (and still is the case with them actually) and I suspect it might still be true with some of today's online streaming services. True, since Netflix began to pioneer it back in 2013 most streaming services tend to be ordering productions to straight-to-series rather than commission pilots solely (Amazon being the exception up until recently) but I would not consider that a hard rule of all streaming services in general.

I standby what I said before. I think you might be overthinking this one. For as mysterious and unusual as Poppy is, I think speculation that this production is not a series or not intended to become is just that: speculation. The majority of evidence here points to it simply being a pilot for a series that YouTube is testing the waters with. I have enjoyed conversing back in forth with you, by the way. You make interesting points and know how to string a sentence together. Have a nice evening! BoogerD (talk) 23:49, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Awww, thanks. I feel all cute and happy when people at least chew over my inedibility before disagreeing with me, rather than simply vomiting. And yeah, it wasn't even uncommon for shows to never air at all in the good old days. YouTube has a few of those now, I think I'll enjoy my evening looking back on them instead on speculating on Poppy's future. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:04, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

Haven't seen the series/pilot yet. InedibleHulk, applause for the post above and its multi-possibility analysis. Considering this, you did consider this as well? Randy Kryn (talk) 18:58, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

I don't run YouTube on this machine, but I see the title and I'm intrigued. Will consider thoroughly soon. Or rather, soon enough. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:19, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Finally got around to it. Sounds like a Victorian-era street urchin found a Vietnam-era dictaphone in the trash. But production value aside, it's still lyrically better than "Havana" and worth a listen for anyone who absolutely must. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:47, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

434 now (unless they quit counting). InedibleHulk, you sometimes write like F. Scott and/or Zelda on some of their good stuff. I pointed it out to you because you linked LosingMeReligionAye above, and I thought it was another one of those coincidences you mentioned awhile back (and if your mention of 'Havana' wasn't because of this then there's another one popping up - or poppying up - for you). Have you see this I'm Poppy episode as yet? Someone should write a summary of the episode. I don't get youtube red, so am interested in the full synopsis of the film. Glad you made it out of your 48 play date safely, good to have you back mucking up the place. Randy Kryn (talk) 20:29, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Nothing fishy about "Havana", simply laughed out loud at that reading today (my lengthy sentence wasn't so harsh). Some of her finer work. Haven't watched the expensive show yet, but watched Irish people watch it. From their faces, I think it's pretty good. That'd be my summary, so another writer (or team of writers) should write the right words, eye ee a eye a eye oh. I won't read them, though, because spoilers without Irish people plain rot the imagination, ee eye ee eye o. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:52, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

If you wanted a coincidence, F. Scott and Zelda last fought in Havana and last made up on the beach, according to "Beautiful Fools". I hear it's pretty good. I see it's fairly expensive. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:06, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

No, didn't know (but for me that's a lifestyle). Thanks for the Irish people staring at a screen link, so at least got to see a couple new minutes of the show, and it would be hard to summarize perfectly, as it should be.. The third time I watched the Havana reading is when I lol all the way through. Na na na. a. Randy Kryn (talk) 22:04, 14 March 2018 (UTC)