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Ilanz/Glion

There are virtually two items called Ilanz/Glion: the town (and former municipality) and the enlarged municipality. Both are called the same way, using the German as well as the Romansh name. The same way as Biel/Bienne does. And both have exactly the same political institutions (and therefore also the same url); in other words, from a political point of view, it is the same. Though not geographically: the (former) town (the geographical, not the political one) is part of the (new) municipality. Therefore, I would strongly recommend to merge both articles, Ilanz and Ilanz/Glion, into Ilanz/Glion. -- ZH8000 (talk) 11:39, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Per the Federal Statistical Office until 2014 the municipality was officially only Ilanz. On January 1 2014, after the merger it became officially Ilanz/Glion. They are not the same, with different SFSO numbers, history, area, population, etc. Tobyc75 (talk) 17:54, 3 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, indeed, there are two different things, the town and the municipality, or better, the town is part of the municipality. Both are sharing the same political authorities, and (sic!), the same name, namely Ilanz/Glion – the municipality as well as the town. Therefore, both article needs the same name! There are numerous examples about villages/towns in Switzerland, where you find the same situation, and (!) just one article! --> Either in one article called "Ilanz/Glion" and merged contents (not that difficult), or then something like "Ilanz/Glion (municipality)" and "Ilanz/Glion (town)". Either or, but not the current situation. -- ZH8000 (talk) 12:42, 6 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ilanz is the municipality before 2014, Ilanz/Glion is the municipality after 2014. Separating the town out from the municipality seems needlessly complex and I doubt there are enough unique sources to justify having 2 articles. The municipality is the smallest government division. While there are smaller divisions (like towns, hamlets and Burgergemeinde) none of them have full administrations and as far as I know none of them have articles.Tobyc75 (talk) 13:07, 6 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Well, then let's them merge, for heavens sake. -- ZH8000 (talk) 14:10, 6 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

My objection has nothing to do with your town vs municipality argument. Rather it is that the 2 municipalities (pre 2014 and post 2014) cover different areas (the post 2014 Ilanz/Glion is much, much larger), have different populations and demographics (since Ilanz/Glion was created from almost a dozen former municipalities) and have different identification numbers. Ilanz/Glion is not the successor municipality to Ilanz, rather it is the successor to Ilanz, Castrisch, Ladir, Luven, Pitasch, Riein, Ruschein, Schnaus, Sevgein, Duvin, Pigniu, Rueun and Siat. All the demographic and geographic data in the Ilanz article are only for the per 2014 municipality of Ilanz and are NOT correct for Ilanz/Glion. The history of Ilanz/Glion is either the history of all the constituent municipalities or starts in 2014, while the history of Ilanz only covers the former municipality of Ilanz.Tobyc75 (talk) 15:30, 6 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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