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Spanish Civil War[edit]

Frank Ryan & Kit Conway fought for the republic; Eoin O'Duffy fought for the nationalists.

Irishmen north & south fought in World War I ... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kfor (talkcontribs) 23:32, 26 May 2009 (UTC)


Charles de Gaul[edit]

I can't find any note of this man being Irish. Joke entry? Basmandude 12:57, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

I would think so. However, I just put the fact template there for now. I'll delete it shortly if no one defends it. --Danfly (talk) 13:26, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

I just deleted de Gaulle. There is absolutely no assertion that de Gaulle ever had any Irish heritage. Some of the other "Irish connections" are also a little tenuous. Apart from his name, neither this nor the Jeremiah O'Brien article provide any supporting refs for Irish lineage. (I'm not saying he wasn't Irish, but where's the refs). In a similar vein, Patrice de Mac-Mahon's name was about the only remaining Irish link - I appreciate that the intro provides for no limits/bounds on the definition of "Irish" or "diaspora", but at the point of his induction into the army, he would have been 5th or 6th generation French/Irish. (When does one stop counting?) Anyway, long story short, this article has been tagged as "reference-less" for several years, and is of limited value without supporting assertions. It may be worthwhile merging and redirecting the content from Irish regiment into this article, and creating "regiments" and "individuals" subsections - with supporting refs. That way we create one consolidated article from two (weak) list articles. Thoughts? Guliolopez (talk) 13:54, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Sounds like a good idea to me --Danfly (talk) 14:04, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Rather distant but this article explains the link back to his McCartan ancestors who were living in France in the 1800s. Not less Irish than Obama.86.42.210.217 (talk) 12:24, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Yes his great-granny was a McCartan from Co Down. And when he visited Ireland in the 1960s he asked to meet a group of about 30 McCartans. But if the limit is a born-elsewhere son of an Irish resident, as it seems to be, then he doesn't qualify.PatrickGuinness (talk) 10:58, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Merger[edit]

On second thought, should we do it the other way around? No other country has an article on military diaspora as far as I can tell and the Irish regiment article rates higher on the importance scale. Maybe this should be the redirect. There are only 3 links to this article after all and I can delete them as easily as I made them. --Danfly (talk) 14:26, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

yes, agreed, redirect (or merge) this orphan article to Irish regiment (please move to regiments) which is widely linked and would be first searched for. Osioni (talk) 20:55, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

changed my mind: the article is better NOT merged, as names continue to be added to it (now 17 !!). See other Irish diaspora articles and categories -- Category:Irish diaspora politicians. However Irish regiment (singular) is an irritation, as the "s" has always to be added outside the: ]]s, please therefore move to 'Irish regiments'. Osioni (talk):: Sorry, just discovered it has been moved! Great!. 20:06, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

The Irish regiment article should merged into this article. --MFIreland (talk) 12:27, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm against the idea. I would be in favour of a more rigorous separation of the the two, but there are notable individuals who were in positions of general command for example Peter Lacy who were not in an Irish regiment. -- PBS (talk) 23:27, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

British section[edit]

Removed Carton De Wiat, a member of the Belgian military diaspora. Howvere, if this section is going to be here, surely it should contain people who regarded themselves as citizens of the Irish Free State or Irish Republic who served in the British armed forces. Of those listed, Wellington became Prime Minister of the U.K., and Lawrence and Montgomery both regarded themselves as British. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Roger Allen (talkcontribs) 20:40, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Then the other lists would be restricted to citizens of the Irish Free State or Irish Republic who served in the French, American, Austrian etc. forces, which would make the page less historically interesting. Irish means much more than the State, and surely Arthur Dillon (1670–1733) was Irish?86.42.205.182 (talk) 10:06, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
Noted recent removals of Dubliners Alan Cunningham and Andrew Cunningham, 1st Viscount Cunningham of Hyndhope by IP 194.83.249.5 - looks like vandalism? Or WP:IDONTLIKETHEM? why?86.42.207.207 (talk) 19:23, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Merger[edit]

There was a proposition on the page Talk:Irish military diaspora that these two articles be merged. What does everyone here think? --Danfly (talk) 20:33, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

The article lacks in information on the Ancien Regime Irish regiments in Spaniard and perhaps Austrian service. In Spain, for instance, the "regimientos de Irlanda, Hibernia and Ultonia" (Ireland, Hibernia and Ulster), and early in the 18th century the "regimientos de Limerick y Watefort". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.8.98.118 (talk) 13:11, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

This article should merged into the Irish military diaspora article. --MFIreland (talk) 12:23, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Merger complete --MFIreland (talk) 14:15, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

FM Montgomery[edit]

Bernard Montgomery, 1st Viscount Montgomery of Alamein wasn't Irish-born but he had often visited Moville in County Donegal where his family were landowners at Newpark. He qualifies as Anglo-Irish.86.42.210.217 (talk) 12:24, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Daniel Florence O'Leary[edit]

He appears twice? Anyone mind if I remove one mention?PatrickGuinness (talk) 10:53, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

List of Battles / Wars[edit]

I was thinking of adding a section and or creating a category which would compile together the military engagement to which Irish military diaspora took a part in, particularly those on mainland Europe, starting with the Austrian, French and Spanish brigades, and branching out to Italy, Poland and Russia.

Anyone interested, please contact me via my talk page.

Uamaol (talk) 01:27, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

Sons of Irish-born people[edit]

The lists could get very big with this. For example the father of admiral Sir Charles Madden, 1st Baronet came from Kells in Kilkenny; the mother of general Arthur Currie (né Curry) was born in Ireland.PatrickGuinness (talk) 11:22, 10 April 2015 (UTC) William Ferguson (1800-1828). In 1818 he was sent to South America on a commission in Simón Bolívar venezuelan army. During his short yet eventful life, Ferguson stood out as an intelligent and intrepid officer with important responsibilities in the campaign of New Granada and Peru fighting in the battles of Bombona, Junín and Ayacucho. In his twentieth-nine year, William Ferguson was on duty at Santafe de Bogotá as aide-de-camp to General Bolívar when a plot was hatched against the Liberator. On 28 September 1828 Ferguson, mistaken by the conspirators for Bolívar, was shot in the back and mortally wounded while walking down the street. After his death the people of Bogotá honoured William Ferguson with a public funeral and buried his remains in the cathedral - an unusual honour for a Protestant - and erected a handsome monument. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.79.236.211 (talk) 19:15, 6 August 2015 (UTC)


92e Regiment d'Infanterie de Ligne

1808: Nagle (Thomas-Patrice) - Colonel

Colonels killed and wounded while commanding the 92e Regiment d'Infanterie de Ligne

Colonel Nagle: Wounded 16 April 1809 and 6 July 1809

source; the napoleon series.org

also

col. john f. lucy royal irish rifles wwi & wwii author of "there's a devil in the drum" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:302:D17F:2040:28F0:B55A:194B:BAF2 (talk) 01:17, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

Spain: Wauchop's Regiment=Ireland Regiment[edit]

Merging of the Bourke's and O'Lally's regiments, it became the Prince of Asturia's Regiment, usually known as Wauchop's (after his colonel) and Connacia (Connaught?).In 1718 took up the title of Ireland Regiment. In Spanish: Regimiento de Bourke,R.de O'Lally, R. del Príncipe de Asturias y R. de Irlanda. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.139.118.211 (talk) 11:11, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

"http://www.defensa.gob.es/ceseden/Galerias/destacados/publicaciones/CuadernosHistoria/ficheros/01_PRESENCIA_IRLANDESA_EN_LA_MILICIA_ESPANOLA.pdf" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.139.118.211 (talk) 11:18, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

Spain: Limerick Regiment[edit]

In 1736 transferred into the service of Naples and Sicily (at the time a satellite kingdom of Spain) as Regimento del Ré (King's Regiment) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.139.118.211 (talk) 11:13, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

Spain 1719: Momonia (Munster?) Regiment[edit]

Short-lived. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.139.118.211 (talk) 11:14, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

Spain: O'Mahony's, Crofton's and FitzHarris's Dragoons (c.1702)[edit]

In 1715 O'Mahony's became Edinburgh Dragoons (Dragones de Edimburgo) and Crofton's became Dublin (Dragones de Dublín). FitzHarris's was disbanded in 1706. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.139.118.211 (talk) 11:30, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

Note: by the 1740s the Dublin Dragoons had been disbanded or merged. Same for the Edinburgh Dragoons by the 1760s. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.139.118.211 (talk) 11:39, 26 October 2016 (UTC)