Talk:Jamal Greene

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@X4n6: In my view, Special:Diff/1043775064 adds no substantive content to this article because it does not provide any context regarding the publications listed. It's just a list. The fact that a university-published bio is effectively self-published—i.e., providing no independent perspective on which of the publications are important, influential, etc—only adds to my concern. It's irrelevant that universities commonly list faculty publications—what matters is what's useful for encyclopedic purposes, not universities' own purposes. I'm fine to start an actual bibliography of Greene's publications, but putting it in prose does not make sense IMO.

Further, [1] does not actually say that Jamal grew up in Park Slope. It only says Talib Kweli did. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 23:10, 11 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@AleatoryPonderings: I have no problem expanding the section to flesh out the writings. I don't think a long bibliography is necessary, as is found on his CV, but I think the highlights in his bio are more than sufficient. As for a university's official bio being self-published, it's not his personal page, it's the university's page. In fact, the original source was the university's official announcement of his appointment. But again, happy to flesh out the writings. And already added two new sources on Park Slope. X4n6 (talk) 23:22, 11 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

My point isn't so much that the publications section isn't fleshed out enough. It's that it's an indiscriminate list without sufficient context to identify the importance (or lack thereof) of what it discusses. To take a random example: "Beyond Lawrence: Metaprivacy and Punishment" has been cited only 52 times, a total that includes Greene's own citations of the article in subsequent work. It doesn't make sense to highlight publications like these when they haven't been treated, summarized, etc, at any length in secondary sources. Whatever a university bio is, it's not an independent secondary source. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 23:30, 11 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

If you would prefer to do it as a bibliography, then please do. It seems clear that a bibliography is just another list, but I won't object. X4n6 (talk) 23:44, 11 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]