Talk:James Hogue

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Same guy.

http://www.kpho.com/Global/story.asp?S=4457693&nav=23Ku http://www.telluridewatch.com/archive_news/2006/january/012006/hogue.htm

( by anon 67.150.73.155 (talk · contribs)- text removed to avoid possible copyvio)

  • Good. Link to the news in the article would have been enough. - Skysmith 11:05, 6 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    Those links now go to 404 errors 198.6.46.11 (talk) 21:26, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Actually links are sufficient only when known to be permanent lks, and/or accompanied by a search-key that is likely to relocate the item when a transient lk goes to 404 errors.
      1. Fugitive Colorado con man arrested in Tucson showed up from searching G for
        "James Arthur Hogue was wanted on three felony warrants"
        (so the two stations are probably sharing copy; perhaps the one first quoted by us only pays for the right to broadcast for a day or two, and to carry it on Web for maybe a week or two) but this one's article title might well also have worked, if one editor who presumably saw it, or the other who probably at least had the opportunity, had mentioned it on this talk pg; i think titles are always fair use, regardless of setting, bcz they the only reasonable way to identify the article, and to forbid the citation of titles would deny the protected ability to discuss them in a meaningful way.
      2. Here are a couple searches that don't work:
        "40-foot storage trailer for the hundreds of stolen items"
        site:telluridewatch.com "James Arthur Hogue"
        Interestingly,
        site:telluridewatch.com "James Hogue"
        turned up 3 hits, one including the phrase "James Arthur Hogue" [shrug]:
        Sympathy for a Con Man? Not This Time. | San Miguel County Judge Sentences Hogue to 10 Years
        Hiding In Plain Sight World-Class Con Artist Flees San Bernardo Home Following Police Search
        James A. Hogue Back To Face Felony Charge

clearer English[edit]

"On 2007-03-12 Hogue pleaded guilty to a single felony count of theft of more than $15,000 by receiving in exchange for a prison sentence not to exceed 10 years, and prosecutors' agreement to drop other theft and habitual-criminal charges.[8]" - Can some-one who understands this sentence please re-write it. Kdammers (talk) 05:11, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • It's a copyvio, and i've gutted it and paraphrased some, which may pass muster. It had info we probably don't need, but YMMV and others with the interest should probably read the source and decide what else to paraphrase and include.
    It's a run-on sentence made by pretty much jamming together these 3 sents:
James Arthur Hogue, a three time felon who gained national notoriety for stealing identities, track medals and a Princeton education, pleaded guilty Monday in Telluride to felony theft in exchange for a prison sentence not to exceed 10 years.
Hogue pleaded guilty to one count of felony theft of more than $15,000 by receiving. In exchange for the plea, other theft charges and a habitual criminal charge were dropped.
BTW, we can have these directly quoted sents here on the talk pg w/o copyvio, as a matter of fair use -- even tho we forgo fair-use in the main namespace in order to accommodate users who want to copy from that namespace (but not this talk namespace) onto their commercial sites. The fair-use utilization is as an aid to our discussion of what the copyrighted material means, and how to go abt paraphrasing it.
Here's my breakdown of the lousy sent you presented:
On 2007-03-12
Hogue pleaded guilty
to a single felony count of theft
of more than $15,000
by receiving,
in exchange for
a prison sentence, not to exceed 10 years,
and
prosecutors' agreement to drop other theft and habitual-criminal charges.
Presumably "theft by receiving" is like the more conventional thefts by taking, except that he accomplished his by waiting for them to give him what he was not entitled to.
IMO that's a police-blotter regurgitation that is unsuitable to our purposes anyway, more addressed to those who followed the initial charges and want to know which were dropped and which one stood. The amount he got may be of some interest, but we don't know that without knowing more abt the Col. criminal code: if the next more serious crime starts at $100K, saying "over $15K" is misleading bcz invites the assumption that it was between 15 and 20, and it's unlikely you're going to be able to safely say more than "many thousands". In fact, he pleaded to one count; $15K could be the max he got in one check, esp'ly as "other theft charges ... were dropped. Or he may have driven a hard bargain, and dodged the charge for the biggest theft.
--Jerzy•t 13:01, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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