Talk:John of Scotland, Earl of Huntingdon

Genealogy

This article needs to be investigated and or clarified. If you read the article about John le Scot"s father David II, you will notice he does not have any children named "Christian". John le Scots legitimate sisters, who would have been his heirs at his death, were Ada de Huntingdon, Isobel de Huntingdon, Matilda/Maud de Huntingdon and Margaret de Huntingdon according Wikipedia's own article on David II. John died in 1237, and some of his sisters are alive after that point. None of them are named Christian, so this must be one of his grand nieces, perhaps by his eldest sister, Margaret of Huntingdon. Therefore, whoever his "heirs" were in 1237, this point should be clarified and whoever the sisters were need to be clarified and further research on their death dates. It seems Ada at least lived to ca. 1247, so she would have been an heir (this has also recently come into question as she may have had a second husband Ralph Brereton) and your own article on David II also states Isobel lived after 1237.

Arms

Glover's Roll gives his arms as "paly of six or and gules a bend sable". Opera hat (talk) 14:45, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

There are 55 blazons listed in [[List_of_rolls_of_arms#13th_century_rolls|Glover's Roll]. 68.32.154.213 (talk) 15:04, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

The Glover Roll was produced from a now-lost roll of arms made during the reign of King Henry III (1216–1272). It is an English roll of arms from c. 1240–1245, as dated by Sir Harris Nicolas. There were two men who had the title of Earl of Huntingdon during this period:

• David of Scotland, Earl of Huntingdon (d. 17 June 1219)
• John of Scotland, Earl of Huntingdon (d. 6 June 1237)

Yet it is possible the earlier roll copied even earlier sources. 68.32.154.213 (talk) 18:26, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

[[1]] shows that Burke's Heraldry (1835) lists: Scott (Earl of Huntingdon, d. 1219). Or, three piles meeting in point gu.

Burke's secondary source could have been Encyclopaedia Heraldica Or Complete Dictionary of Heraldry, Volume 2, by William Berry:
Scott [Earl of Huntingdon, obiit 1219,] or, three piles, meeting in point, gu.
and, on the same page,
Scott [Earl of Huntingdon] or, three piles gu.
and, on a page in the "D" section,
David [Earl of Huntingdon] ar. an inescocheon gu. within a border, flory, counterflory of the second.
David [Earl of Huntingdon] or, three piles gu.

At http://www.angelfire.com/id/langford/heraldry/arms02.jpg there is a coat of arms that is stated to be related to the 20th century (or earlier) Langford family. It is listed as "Northuberland" which one can assume is supposed to be "Northumberland". The blazon is: Paly of six or and gules within a bordure argent. This is the same blazon as the first St. Liz Earl of Huntingdon -- Simon I de Senlis, 1st Earl of Northampton and 2nd Earl of Huntingdon. See [[2]], Rolls of Arms of the Reigns of Henry III and Edward III, edited by Sir Nicholas Harris Nicolas.
His son Simon II de Senlis, 4th Earl of Northumberland, 4th Earl of the Honour of Huntingdon and Northampton (1098 - 1153) is considered to be the likeliest bearer of the arms blazoned paly of six or and gules, a bend sable. So the past consensus is that the St. Liz (Senlis) Earls of Huntingdon displayed the ancient arms paly of six or and gules with differences such as bordures or bends; descendants of the Kings of Scotland usually displayed or a lion gules except the descendant Earls of Huntingdon such as David of Scotland and his son John of Scotland displayed or three piles meeting in point gules.68.32.154.213 (talk) 22:24, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

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