Talk:Kahramanlar Business Center

UN Secretariat building

IP User 88.251.120.144 has repeatedly added that the KEBC was based on the United Nations Secretariat Building as well as Lever house. Can anyone find a source either way?SPACKlick (talk) 16:26, 22 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

User 88.251.120.144 has provided the reference http://www.emporis.com/building/emekbusinesscenter-ankara-turkey however, I'm unconvinced that emporis.com is a WP:RS I have tagged with ^{[unreliable source?]} but would like comments from others

[user 88.251.120.144 in edit comment]What makes the other references in the article more reliable? Also, you must be blind not to see the resemblance.) (undo)

Emporis is a data mining agency with a reputation for missing or inaccurate data as far as I'm aware. The other sources are not. This is why the tag and awaiting other editors opinions SPACKlick (talk) 17:11, 22 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Emporis is the owner of Skyscrapers.com, which is the world's largest database on skyscrapers. 88.251.120.144 (talk) 17:14, 22 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Emporis is frequently cited by various media sources as an authority on building data.^[1]^[2]^[3]

^ "In the Press". Emporis. Retrieved 2012-03-30.
^ David Wheeldon (2013-01-08). "Gold Coast's DBI Design wins worldwide skyscraper award for Etihad Towers". Infolink Architecture & Design magazine. Retrieved 2013-08-16. Emporis, a global provider of building information, is regarded as an international authority on highrise building design. Nominees and winners are chosen by Emporis editors - architecture experts from around the world...
^ "Great American Tower Recognized as a Top Skyscraper in the World". Western & Southern Financial Group. 2012-12-07. Retrieved 2013-08-16. Every year since 2000, Emporis' expert international jury recognizes 10 skyscrapers completed in the previous calendar year. According to Emporis, a panel of architecture experts from all over the world judge nominated buildings based on aesthetic and functional design criteria and then rank them accordingly.

First link is to their own site, second link shows they have an award and third link says they are experts in architecture of skyscrapers, none of that necessarily makes them reliable for this sort of information. Now given that the leven house claim exists in many many sources, why would the UN Secretariat claim exist ONLY in emporis? Note also the discussion of reliability on the wiki talkpage. I will post this to the relevant group on WIKI for an assessment. SPACKlick (talk) 17:24, 22 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Lever House was the main source of inspiration. The overall design of Lever House (1952) was blended with stylistical details (exterior cladding of the facade) from the UN Building, which was also completed in 1952. 78.181.135.136 (talk) 17:40, 22 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Of course we need reliable sources. But whether or not the building was inspired by the lever house is not a critical info. (If two buildings are similar, it can be assumed that the architect may be under the influence of the older building.) I don't think this unimportant issue deserves further discussion and being the creator of the article I think we can accept the source if the proposer insists on the edit. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 20:39, 22 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Creator isn't a special position here Nedim Ardoğa and looking at the Reliable Sources Noticeboard we find a few past discussions on Emporis, most of which debate its use as WP:RS. I'd be happier if the claim of inspiration was attributed to emporis rather than simply sourced as wikifact. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SPACKlick (talk • contribs) 23:01, 22 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

IP user who made the last edit, I'm not certain it's an improvement as it seems to be vaguely WP:OR. The new version reads;

 Its design was primarily inspired by the Lever House (1952) building, blended with some of the facade characteristics of the
United Nations Secretariat Building (1952) in New York City.^[1]

The reference doesn't support this "primary" and "blended" assertion, nor does anything else I've read. I think its an improvement but not perfect yet. I still can't work out how to word it for attribution though. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SPACKlick (talk • contribs) 09:57, 23 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

^ Cite error: The named reference Emporis was invoked but never defined (see the help page).

[Emporis_press-1] "In the Press". Emporis. Retrieved 2012-03-30.

[Press2-2] David Wheeldon (2013-01-08). "Gold Coast's DBI Design wins worldwide skyscraper award for Etihad Towers". Infolink Architecture & Design magazine. Retrieved 2013-08-16. Emporis, a global provider of building information, is regarded as an international authority on highrise building design. Nominees and winners are chosen by Emporis editors - architecture experts from around the world...

[Press5-3] "Great American Tower Recognized as a Top Skyscraper in the World". Western & Southern Financial Group. 2012-12-07. Retrieved 2013-08-16. Every year since 2000, Emporis' expert international jury recognizes 10 skyscrapers completed in the previous calendar year. According to Emporis, a panel of architecture experts from all over the world judge nominated buildings based on aesthetic and functional design criteria and then rank them accordingly.

[Emporis-4] Cite error: The named reference Emporis was invoked but never defined (see the help page).

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