Talk:Kalalau Valley

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Issues with kalalau wikipedia sumary[edit]

In the Kalalalau summary, it states that terraces are being destroyed by invasive plants the DLNR planted to make it more suitable to tourism. This is very wrong, Kalalau valley was owned at one point by the Robinson family (owners of Niihau). The Robinsons planted trees in the valley to provide shade for their animals. Before they moved in, it was an open valley with enormous amounts of terracing. Many other invasive plants were introduced by squatters that moved in around the 1960's. Many of these plants can be found today from tomatoes to watermelon.

The DLNR has a presence on Na Pali due to the abuse that this coast has taken over the past 30+ years from squatters that have done massive amounts of damage and taken many native Hawaiian artifacts. The growing of Marijuana is also a big issue. Legalities aside, there have been cases of intimidation by marijuana growers on hikers that happened upon their fields. Evidence of these squatters can be seen from the ocean. Tree stands that have died because of over zealous use of camp fires. From the land the squatters leave their garbage all over the place, and their "homes" are little more than hovels that use live trees and defile the area. They have no concern for hygiene, with garbage and fecal matter left in the open.

The author of the Kalalau summary believes they are stewards, and yet they continue to perpetuate the belief that squatting in such a pristine area is a right. This is an area that should be left alone. The trash that is taken out is done so by the DLNR helicopters and a couple of the tour boat operators that have a legal permit to land there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.234.80.5 (talk • contribs) 03:14, 7 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've added the POV tag as a result of your comments. —Viriditas | Talk 02:17, 8 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Recommendations for improvements[edit]

This article definitely needs help, focusing more on the author's complaints rather than the splendor, history and magnificence of the Kalalau Valley. If someone has the time to rewrite this article, all of the author's grievances could be compiled under a subheading or a side article regarding controversy over the DLNR and residents. Articles on the Kalalau Trail and Kalalau Beach are helpful. Also, the Hawaii Department of Land and Natural Resources provides accurate (although possibly one-sided) information on the valley. DLNR Website

72.234.10.190 04:18, 29 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Recommendations for improvements[edit]

This article is in really bad shape. I agree with the original poster on the problems with this article and I think most locals will know right away that this article is a total POV, and a minority one at that. I don't see the POV banner- shouldn't it show on the article? Sadly the whole article really needs to be gutted and re-written. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.95.97.152 (talk) 08:34, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

removing POV tag with no active discussion per Template:POV[edit]

I've removed an old neutrality tag from this page that appears to have no active discussion per the instructions at Template:POV:

This template is not meant to be a permanent resident on any article. Remove this template whenever:

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Since there's no evidence of ongoing discussion, I'm removing the tag for now. If discussion is continuing and I've failed to see it, however, please feel free to restore the template and continue to address the issues. Thanks to everybody working on this one! -- Khazar2 (talk) 00:40, 30 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment comment[edit]

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Kalalau Valley/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

NPOV-check required per talk and cleanup. —Viriditas | Talk 08:52, 6 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Last edited at 08:52, 6 December 2006 (UTC). Substituted at 20:49, 29 April 2016 (UTC)