Talk:Kelly Clarkson/Archive 6

personal life

This article does not talk about her personal life. I would like to know who she is dating and who she has dated.

Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sp0 (talk • contribs) 15:04, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

I know a lot of articles have this, but is a famous person's dating habits really that notable for an encyclopedic article? As far as Kelly Clarkson goes, there hasn't been much, if any, media attention over her personal life (other than breaking news about her eating a chili dog on a beach somewhere). So if there's anything notable you should add and reference it. 206.53.157.89 (talk) 23:52, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Kellys Highest Note

Kelly's F6:<object width="425" height="350"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/8DzHcAs8mMY"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/8DzHcAs8mMY" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350"></embed></object> —The preceding unsigned comment was added by DrKnowz (talk • contribs) 02:07, 2 May 2007 (UTC).

Is that an F6? I'm not a musician, so I wouldn't know. But I was actually coming here to ask about her vocal range. I think it would be an interesting fact to incorporate within the article. I believe she has three octaves, but I was wondering if anyone has a source? Here is a source, but not so much reliable as I don't think it's professional. Danielh8675 04:48, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

That is an F#6 in whistle range. I don't have a specific official article saying so, but that is what I have read many places and I can prove it on a piano. Kelly's highest note in chest voice (belted), though, is an A5. Ihavemcpheever (talk) 23:43, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Becoze she hit a F#6 doesn´t mean its whistle its merly her falsetto voice.

Better picture

Hey can somebody get a better pic of Kelly Clarkson up cuz the one with her giving that thumbs up in the blue angels plane or whatever is like the WORST picture of her EVER. Just do an image search of her on google and there's plenty to choose from. She's really much better looking than that picture portrays. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 172.188.169.173 (talk)

Please read the discussion above discussing Kelly Clarkson's picture. Thank you. Acalamari 16:23, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

How do you know what she looks like in person? I went to school with her, and have known her since 6th grade, thats what she looks like. Its hard to know what somebody really looks like when you see them on the cover of People. Who cares anyway, how does her picture on wikipedia personally destroy your day. Get a life. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.30.152.122 (talk) 00:01, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Harsh man, all they are saying is that Clarkson is extremely pretty, and a more flattering picture would do her nothing but good. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.128.182.95 (talk) 18:45, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Vocal Ability

What happened to the technical information about Kelly's vocal range? I found that information to be interesting. Now there is only snippets of critical reviews.Man Servant Hecubus 00:27, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

I think it was deleted because the reference wasn't professional. I found it interesting, too, so if we find another reference, it would be good to have. Danielh8675 12:55, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, there currently seems to be an edit war involving a Youtube clip of her Miss Independent on AOL, (an excellent version, I must add), but I would like to someone with some technical vocal knowledge for verification of the notes she hits as well as some sort of reference. While those that are musically illiterate (namely me)can hear the notes, but can't "rate" the notes that are hit. Any ideas to end this edit war or come to some sort of consensus?--Hourick (talk) 11:38, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

The highest notes she is hitting in the Miss Independent AOL performance are G#5s. As for her overall range, her lowest note is an E3 hit while she performed the national anthem at the Dallas Cowboys game in 2006. Her highest note in chest voice (belted) is an A5, which she has hit numberous times (Nickelodeon U-Pick Live activity when she has to sing higher and higher to try to break glass, in 2003. On Air with Ryan Seacrest performance of "The Trouble With Love Is" in 2004. Also, numerous concert performances of Miss Independent and The Trouble WIth Love Is in 2004 and 2005. Her highest note overall is a whistle note, an F#6 she hit performing "Natural Woman" on American Idol in 2002. Ihavemcpheever (talk) 23:42, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Maximum Kelly Clarkson

I found this on AOL music: http://music.aol.com/album/maximum-kelly-clarkson/1032035. It's not on Wikipedia, and I'm not certain if it's real, but maybe somebody should look into it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by EmeraldWithin (talk • contribs) 14:58, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

That listing makes no sense; it says "Release Date: 12/18/2004" and "Recording Date: 6/2006". I've never heard of any of the songs on it. *Dan T.* (talk) 16:11, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

I don't understand it either, but it's also on Amazon.com.--EmeraldWithin (talk) 21:00, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

It's a CD of collected interviews with Kelly according to HMV.co.uk and it has no music. It seems to be part of a series of "Maximum" CD's as there is a "Maximum" Gwen Stefani CD and a "Maximum" Britney Spears CD aswell. AngelOfSadness talk 21:15, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Alright then. Thanks to AngelOfSadness we know what it is. Now, is it important?--EmeraldWithin (talk) 23:29, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

True You

True You is a rumored title of her next album, which as of this time, isn't even being worked on in studio yet. The mentioned was from an article, not an interview with Clarkson, and is crystal ball-ish for wikipedia. When there is an official announcement, a page and cites should be added, not prior based on rumors from a non-official source. 76.109.54.18 (talk) 01:05, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for removing it. Recently, quite a few rumors have been added to the article, but nothing has been sourced. Acalamari 01:47, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

One update with it had a referance to the article stating it online.. but no one ever checks referances on here to see if they are real, or tabloid.. after all, it's wikipedia..haha 76.109.54.18 (talk) 13:52, 9 April 2008 (UTC) References are needed BananaNoodle (talk) 20:55, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Seeing as no-one found any references to an official source, I have redirected the article "True You" as it was entirely based on rumour of a future release(WP:CYSTAL) and nothing could be verified. I hope to see that if the article is re-created it will be re-created with reliable sources and will not be based entirely on rumour other than that it will probably end up getting redirected again for the third time. So instead of letting hard work go to waste through re-direct, it would be best for anyone who wants to re-create the article if they could post a message here so we can discuss the sources etc. AngelOfSadness talk 22:42, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

There has only been one mention of 'true you' anywhere, and it was from an unreliable news/tabloid article on the internet. The album hasn't even gone into studio work yet, there's no possible way it can have a title yet. 76.109.54.18 (talk) 01:43, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

It actually has, which is how the leaks demos managed to get out. Not really the point, but still. 72.240.220.234 (talk) 19:50, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

The demo's got out because they were stolen, as stated by Aben Eubanks himself on many blogs and his own myspace blog. Kelly records alot of demo's at her house, and on her tour bus, as she states herself in several interviews, and is stated by her own band in interivews and chats. She has a mini-studio on her own tour bus. She even recorded a track on My December in her own house direct to her laptop, and decided she like dthe sound it had, and it went ont he album that way. There has been no official release or statement of any album title. The album isn't even in the studio yet. They don't name albums before songs are finished for it. The source of tis rumored title is unofficial, and unreliable. It didn't come from RCA/Sony, Kelly's management, Kelly, or anyone involved with the album. Maybe i'll create a blog and call the album 'Kelly's 4th', see how many want to believe it (and i'm sure there are many who would). 76.109.54.18 (talk) 00:21, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

The album is obviously beginning the recording process, or the songs wouldn't have been recorded. That's all I'm saying. "Studio" work doesn't even happen on some albums - not that I'm saying that'll happen on this. Phoenix1304 (talk) 21:54, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

It is non-factual, unsourced information and has been removed. Reqluce (talk) 00:31, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

"Grammy award winner Kelly Clarkson"

An editor does not appear to like the fact that Kelly Clarkson is a "Grammy-award winning" American pop star using the vague rationale that it is "NPOV." Rather than taking his concern to the talk page, he simply reverts it again. Rather than restore it again, I'll first explain my reasoning on the talk page. In my view, it is hardly POV (or an NPOV violation) to mention this fact in the lead section for policy-related reasons. First, a simple LexisNexis search generates literally dozens (if not hundreds) of articles in which journalists identify Clarkson as a Grammy award winner, thus calling into question a simple WP:NPOV argument. Here is a brief sample:

1. Youths revel in pope's message; The pontiff marks the third anniversary of his election with a Mass and parade. The Washington Times, April 20, 2008 Sunday, PAGE ONE; A01, 1453 words, By Julia Duin, THE WASHINGTON TIMES ... During the interval, they had listened to Grammy Award-winner Kelly Clarkson, Father Stan Fortuna ( ...

2. Nat promises she'll be back Herald Express (Torquay), January 25, 2008 Friday, Pg. 6, 704 words ... on March 19.Grammy award-winner Kelly Clarkson heads to the venue on ...

3. Fergie, Kelly Clarkson & Maroon 5 Among More than a Dozen Artists to 'Play the Field' at Gridiron Bash(TM); Event to Crown Best College Football Fans and Raise $12 Million+ for Universities PR Newswire, January 17, 2008 Thursday 8:39 PM GMT, 762 words ... year); two time Grammy Award winner Kelly Clarkson, and multiple Grammy Award ...

4. COWBOYS EXTRA; QUICK HITS Fort Worth Star-Telegram (Texas), November 21, 2007 Wednesday, D; Pg. 5, 695 words, RICK HERRIN, Star-Telegram Staff Writer Grammy Award-winner Kelly Clarkson of Burleson will be the star of the ...

5. Video: Kelly Clarkson to Kick Off Salvation Army Red Kettle Campaign With Live Performance During Dallas Cowboys Thanksgiving Day Game Halftime Show; Clarkson Calls for Volunteers and Donations as Honorary Chairperson of Nation's Oldest Annual Fundraiser PR Newswire, November 21, 2007 Wednesday 7:02 PM GMT, 944 words ... Tomorrow, two-time Grammy Award winner Kelly Clarkson will be the featured performer ...

6. Video: Kelly Clarkson to Kick Off Salvation Army Red Kettle Campaign With Live Performance During Dallas Cowboys Thanksgiving Day Game Halftime Show U.S. Newswire, November 21, 2007 Wednesday 2:02 PM EST, NATIONAL EDITORS, 933 words ... Tomorrow, two-time Grammy Award winner Kelly Clarkson will be the featured performer ...

7. MultiVu Video Feed: Kelly Clarkson Announced as Headline Performer for Dallas Cowboys Thanksgiving Day Halftime Show! PR Newswire, October 4, 2007 Thursday 5:30 PM GMT, 536 words ... announced that two-time Grammy Award winner Kelly Clarkson will perform live ...

8. Kelly Clarkson to Perform at 2007 Teen Choice Awards [Idol Stalker] Idol Stalker, August 9, 2007 Thursday 2:00 AM EST, 119 words, Jeanne ... Awards!!! Here's the Two-time Grammy Award winner Kelly Clarkson and punk-pop dynamo ...

9. Toyota Concert Series; Kelly Clarkson NBC News Transcripts, May 8, 2007 Tuesday, 633 words ... gone--that's a pun--Grammy Award winner Kelly Clarkson has been very busy writing new ...

10. CLARKSON AND McENTIRE TEAM UP FOR SITCOM WENN Entertainment News Wire Service, January 4, 2007 Thursday 3:26 AM GMT, MUSIC, 90 words Grammy award winner KELLY CLARKSON will make a ...

11. 2 MINUTE DRILL Fort Worth Star-Telegram (Texas), November 23, 2006 Thursday, C; Pg. 6, 672 words, MAC ENGEL, Star-Telegram Staff Writer ... anthemTwo-time Grammy Award winner Kelly Clarkson is scheduled to sing the national ...

12. Romo's big day leads Cowboys over Bucs The Sports Network, November 23, 2006 Thursday 9:52 PM EST, NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE; Hard News Story, 917 words ... return...Two-time Grammy Award winner Kelly Clarkson sang the national anthem ...

13. NFL Game Summary - Tampa Bay at Dallas; (Thursday, November 23rd) The Sports Network, November 23, 2006 Thursday 9:51 PM EST, NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE; Post-game Wrap-Ups and stories, 923 words ... return...Two-time Grammy Award winner Kelly Clarkson sang the national anthem ...

14. FORD FIGHTS THE GOOD FIGHT; Brief article Daily News Record, July 17, 2006, Pg. 10, 167 words ... states. And lastly, Ford and Grammy award winner Kelly Clarkson will be donating a ...

15. Clarkson to lose weight to promote brand Indo-Asian News Service, July 8, 2006 Saturday 1:33 PM EST, 87 words, Indo-Asian News Service ... York, July 8 -- Grammy award winner Kelly Clarkson will be allowed to promote her ...

16. Rec offices bringing communities together with Stars of Pop concert The Guardian (Charlottetown, Prince Edward Island), July 5, 2006 Wednesday, ENTERTAINMENT; Pg. C4, 396 words, PAT HEALEY ... Timberlake and 'two- time Grammy Award-winner Kelly Clarkson' hit Jacques Cartier ...

17. Kelly Clarkson discusses her career and performing with Rascal Flatts at ACM Awards CBS News Transcripts, May 23, 2006 Tuesday, 918 words ... sensation and two-time Grammy Award winner Kelly Clarkson will be performing on this ...

18. Healthwatch; Signs of and how to avoid carbon monoxide poisoning CBS News Transcripts, May 23, 2006 Tuesday, 831 words ... performances, two-time Grammy award-winner Kelly Clarkson, is going to sing with Rascal ...

19. THE THINGS THEY SAY: WENN Entertainment News Wire Service, February 27, 2006 Monday 3:29 AM GMT, MUSIC, 28 words ... owns the world now." Grammy Award winner KELLY CLARKSON would like to trade places with the ...

20. The Veronicas have a "secret", perfect for teens University Wire, February 21, 2006 Tuesday, CD REVIEW, 323 words, By Eileen Blancas, The Daily Aztec; SOURCE: San Diego State U. ... pop album.Sure, there's Grammy Award-winner Kelly Clarkson and her hit album "Breakaway," ...

21. First Things First:What's on our minds this week The Scotsman, February 18, 2006, Saturday, Pg. 3, 1016 words, Andrew Eaton ... show, does American Idol and Grammy award winner Kelly Clarkson. It may allow ...

22. THE THINGS THEY SAY: WENN Entertainment News Wire Service, February 9, 2006 Thursday 9:07 AM GMT, MUSIC, 22 words ... They're fun." Double Grammy Award winner KELLY CLARKSON on how she planned to ...

Second, winning major awards is a clear sign of notability per WP:N. Third, the lead section is supposed to summarize what is in the article per WP:LEAD. An entire section is dedicated to her awards, yet nothing is mentioned in the lead section. Unless the editor can think of a convincing policy related reason based on verifiable evidence that Clarkson has (1) not won the award, (2) not been identified with the award in the preponderance of articles about her, or (3) the literally hundreds of Wikipedia articles on WP:BLP -- some of them FA articles -- are wrong because they begin with notable awards they have won, I will restore the edit. Regards, J Readings (talk) 05:46, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

I have no problem with her being a Grammy-award winner, and removing "Grammy-award winner" from the lead sentence does not mean she hasn't won them. The reason that "Grammy-award winner" has been removed from the lead sentence is because it places too much weight on the Grammys over everything else in the article. The lead sentence should say who the person is, not what they've done, and the Grammys are something that Kelly Clarkson has achieved, but they are not actually her. There is nothing wrong with mentioning the awards later on in the lead section, but not right in the opening sentence, for as I said above, that highlights the Grammys over the rest of the article, therefore making the beginning non-neutral. "Kelly Brianne Clarkson (born April 24, 1982) is an American pop rock singer, songwriter, and occasional actress." is neutral while "Kelly Brianne Clarkson (born April 24, 1982) is a Grammy-award winning American pop rock singer, songwriter, and occasional actress." is non-neutral because of its weight on the Grammys, therefore, awards should be mentioned later on in the lead. You may also want to see this explanation from Spellcast on a simiar topic. I hope this is satisfactory. Acalamari 15:41, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Main Image Pic

The main image pic, is a bit outdated can someone replace it with a better pic of her like from her My December Tour or the 2 Worlds 2 Voices Tour. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Poisonparadise98 (talk • contribs) 05:12, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

American Dreams?

Why is there no mention of her 2004 portrayal of Brenda Lee on American Dreams, there are youtube videos of her singing "Sweet Nothin's" and "Rockin Around the Christmas Tree".--68.35.158.218 (talk) 00:03, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Ugly Girl?

Did kelly clarkson sing Ugly Girl? If so, this needs to be added to both this and Barbie Girl's wiki entry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.81.254.24 (talk) 02:57, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Masquerade

Kelly's album was rumored to be titled Masquerade when a Wall Street Journal article named it so: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123084861171947381.html However, there is now word that that is not the title. MJ at www.mjsbigblog.com said this:

"I'm hearing that the name of Kelly's album is definitely NOT Masquerade. This is from her publicist…"

So nothing has been confirmed about the title. Ihavemcpheever (talk) 23:50, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Meh. I suggest that we still keep the name in the article since it's the only title that we have that is reliably sourced, which is all that we are looking for according to WP:Verifiability. However, I'll change the wordings of this article and Masquerade (Kelly Clarkson album) to more careful ones, to make clear that this title is only according to the WSJ, and not officially announced.
Unless a reliable source picks that up that's all we can do, again per WP:V. --Amalthea 00:13, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

and a blog writer is going to have chats awith a publicist about an album. The title Masquerade has been confirmed by Clarkson and those involved with the albu,, just not in print for to cite as a resource. IT's also stated on AOLMUSIC (who released the lyircs to her new single this week), and POPWORLD.76.109.42.17 (talk) 06:31, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Well, you apparently claim to have inside knowledge as well? All other reliable sources I've found for the title refer to the WSJ, so I would prefer that we stressed that the title was not officially announced, too. You undid my previous wording, so how about an additional sentence at the end of the first paragraph instead: "The title has not been confirmed by Kelly Clarkson or RCA Records"? We're spreading enough rumors as it is, and we should make clear that it isn't official yet. --Amalthea 12:36, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

So much for that .... --Amalthea 00:32, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Pictures

I'm kinda agreeing with the people who are asking for better pictures...could we get some better ones? The ones on there now are definitely not all that great...

Top 10 Hits

This is my first post ever, so I'm not exactly sure how this works. But I noticed a couple of errors in the article. The first paragraph states that Kelly has had 9 Top 10 Hits in the U.S. Later in the article it states that Walk Away was a top 10 hit in the US (which it wasn't; it peaked at # 12.) Finally, the chart at the bottom of the page lists 8 Top 10 Hits in the US (and this chart does not include Walk Away). So the record should be revised to reflect 8 Top 10 Hits, of which Walk Away was not one. I'm not sure how to fix this, but I wanted to point it out. Thanks so much to all of you!

Record Sales

The lead paragraph in this article claims that Clarkson has sold 56 million records worldwide and cites a British news article, but I'd like to see a reference from Billboard, RIAA, Nielson Soundscan, or a comparable organization.

I'm a Clarkson fan, but this seems a bit high.

"Thankful" sold 3 million, "Breakway" sold 13 million, and "My December" sold 2 million. The numbers just don't add up. She has sold 20 million by a generous estimate, though I'm sure that "All I Ever" wanted will bring her in anothet ten million or so at least. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SwedishConqueror (talk • contribs) 00:08, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Record sales are album and singles sales combined. While I think 56 million records is extremely inflated, I do think that her total is around 30-35 million records worldwide.BalticPat22Pat 04:37, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

The source for this is a press release anyway, so not particularly reliable. I would not at all be surprised if they just summed up all singles and albums and downloads. --Amalthea 21:52, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Discussion copied from User talk:Dtobias

This discussion seems to be relevant to have on this page, given that the subject was an edit to this article:

Leaked albums/songs are not notible under wikipedia guidfelines. They are illegal, and having them mentioned in articles encourages peopel to find them rather than buy the albums. Alankc (talk) 04:30, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

If they're written about in reliable sources (as, in this case, Rolling Stone), don't they possibly become notable news? We write about plenty of stuff that's illegal, like cocaine and murder. Writing about something doesn't mean we support it. Anyway, the leaked songs in question were apparently leaked by mistake, by one country's iTunes store, not as an intentional illegal act. *Dan T.* (talk) 04:53, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

The background is that a few hours ago, an anon IP added a (somewhat sloppily worded) item mentioning Kelly's new album getting leaked by one country's iTunes store, and there being the likelihood of a lawsuit about it. I first intended to revert this as an unsourced and dubious "fact", but I did some quick research and quickly found articles, including one in Rolling Stone's site, that documented this event as factual, at least as far as the leak went; no mention of any actual or threatened lawsuit was in the article. Hence, instead of reverting I cleaned up the wording, removed the mention of a lawsuit, and added the reference to the RS article. However, some including Alankc want to remove all reference to it because leaks are illegal and non-notable. I don't think this argument makes sense; the fact that this leak was covered by sites such as RS implies at least some degree of notability to the event, and the illegality of something does not mean that it can't be written about. The section that was removed did not include any links to sites that actually offered pirated copies of the leaked album. *Dan T.* (talk) 05:08, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

By default, I would never add leak information to media articles. I don't find a simple mention of the fact encyclopaedic information since it happens to so many albums, films, and software today. Unless it is getting a lot of coverage or there are highly unusual circumstances, I wouldn't mention it. --Amalthea 21:47, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

unfortunatly, leaks happen allt he time, non of which are notible. Articles such as these should be about the artist and career. Too many little things like 'The album was leaked' makes it look like an artists fansite, not an encyclopedia. I can pick out a ton fo more stuff not highly relevant to Clarkson's career that can be removed from the article, but it would be a constant fight as it all would jsut be added back over and over by people who think 'wow it's so cool, i can edit pages!' Alankc (talk) 21:05, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Album/Song leaks not notible as per WP:ALBUM#LEAK Alankc (talk) 21:23, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Missing Sources

I just restored the section for Kelly's new album and noticed that there are no sources given. They somehow got lost in the all edits that have taken place. Maria202 (talk) 13:29, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

References

A LOT of the references used in the article are poorly formatted. People just use bare URLs and then a bot adds a title to those references. That leads to link rot, which is exactly what has happened to some of the references. That actually hurts the article, because we need sources that can always be checked upon when need be. I fixed a good portion of the references, but I'm sure there are more that need some help. --Whip it! ^{Now whip it good!} 04:37, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

I cleaned up a bunch of references but I'm not comfortable doing the ones that use the cite template. Someone else will have to fix those. ETA: once that's done the ToDo note can be crossed out.Maria202 (talk) 17:22, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Ancestry

Why does the article writer find it sufficiently noteworthy that Ms. Clarkson is of partially Greek ancestry? Since neither of her parents' names sound Greek, it is presumably a minority percentage. Why not "partially of English [or Irish or whatever]" heritage? Perhaps the article writer is of Greek heritage and takes pride in this? Just wondering. —Preceding unsigned comment added by HistoryBuff14 (talk • contribs) 15:37, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

GA Reassessment

This discussion is transcluded from Talk:Kelly Clarkson/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the reassessment.

Starting GA reassessment as part of the GA Sweeps process. Jezhotwells (talk) 18:52, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Checking against GA criteria

In order to uphold the quality of Wikipedia:Good articles, all articles listed as Good articles are being reviewed against the GA criteria as part of the GA project quality task force. While all the hard work that has gone into this article is appreciated, unfortunately, as of July 25, 2009, this article fails to satisfy the criteria, as detailed below. For that reason, the article has been delisted from WP:GA. However, if improvements are made bringing the article up to standards, the article may be nominated at WP:GAN. If you feel this decision has been made in error, you may seek remediation at WP:GAR.

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose):

   b (MoS):

   • The lead should accurately summarize the article, currently it doesn't. Jezhotwells (talk) 20:11, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): ; b (citations to reliable sources):

   • I fixed a large number of dead links and some redirects using Checklinks. There is one dead link [1], tagged. there are a number of references which are poorly formatted, ref #48 especially. references should be consistent and the predominant style here is to use citation templates, which should mention author (if available), title, publisher and accessdate as a bare minimum. The separate references at the bottom should be moved to a separate section or ELs. Ref #6 [2] is a blog, not RS; ref #9 [3] is a personal website not RS; ref #10 [4] is a fan submitted biog, not RS; ref #11 [5] has no indication of being a RS; ref #35 [6] is a fansite not RS; ref #50 is a forum, not RS; ref #54 is not RS; ref #55 is not RS; ref #64 & #66 about.con - not RS; Some of the separate list of references at the bottom are in fact used in the numbered list. Frankly the reference section is a mess and needs to be thoroughly sorted out.
   • Ref #1 doesn't actually say moved to a more pop rock-oriented style of music. - it says embraces her rock side rather than the pop pageantry that put her on top of the American Idol heap.; ref #2 says 56 million, not nearly 20 million; ref #7 supports the final sentence of the para, we need sources for the rest; I have placed citation tags where needed, there are a large number of unsupported statements. Jezhotwells (talk) 20:11, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

   c (OR):

3. It is broad in its scope.

   a (major aspects):

   b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales):

   b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

   • OK, this article in its current state is barely C class so I will boldly delist. When issues have been fixed, it can be brought to WP:GAN. Jezhotwells (talk) 20:11, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

The fact that you may have a problem with her ancestry does not in anyway reflect on the writer who originally included that information. You cant go around deleting it because you have a problem with Greek background. She is of Welsh and Greek ancestry and both should be included. She has discussed her ancestry in interviews, and it is included in her biography on Fox. Any Kelly fan would like access to this information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ask0kat (talk • contribs) 23:00, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Unless HistoryBuff14 is just saying he has a problem with the Greek /Irish nationality - then her ancestry should be included. Is IMDB Kelly Clark Biography section not a good enough source? It states that she is of "Is of Greek, Welsh, and Irish descent." The link is " http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1225628/bio " —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ask0kat (talk • contribs) 16:27, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

July 2009

The article has been cleaned up a great deal by myself, and user:Acalamari. It was really starting to look like a fansite from all the contributions for newcomers whoa re from Clarkson's fansites. There may still be some facts that aren't needed in the article as time lingers on and facts become outdated and irrelevant Alankc (talk) 20:02, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

I rewrote the one lead paragraph pertaining to tours. It's better to just state facts and allow the reader to determine whether they think something is successful or not. Maria202 (talk) 04:25, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

I added a paragraph to the lead for acting and moved the filmography section under the discography section. Seems like better continuity to me. If anyone doesn't agree go ahead and move it back. The lead didn't quite read right to me having it end on the acting since Kelly's main focus is her music. It also reads better if the main article follows the same sequence. Maria202 (talk) 16:21, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Breakaway/Princess Diaries

Question. The Princess Diaries with the single Breakaway came out in August. The album was released in November. Didn't the single and the Disney promotion help drive the album sales and should that be mentioned first in the Breakaway album section instead of being buried towards the end? Maria202 (talk) 04:40, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

you are correct.. the single actually hit radio alot sooner though, and was a 'cahrt hit' prior to the RCA release of it. I'm not entireley sure how to add it in, not many singles are released a second time under another label, never mind while the single is on the charts. I also can't find a good referance to how the song's success from disney prompted it to be on the album and the album's title (which is actually how it happened, Breakaway wasn't inteanded for the un-named album at the time, but became so huge, it became the title track). Alankc (talk) 04:01, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

When I get a chance I'll dig around and see if I can find anything. Meantime, there's no rush. Maria202 (talk) 06:52, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Merge proposal

I have found All I Ever Wanted Tour (Kelly Clarkson Tour) while on PROD patrol. Really, the only way the article can be rescued would be to merge it to this one. Any thoughts? --I dream of horses (T) @ 19:07, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

I've redirected it to Kelly_Clarkson_concert_tours. --Izno (talk) 19:13, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Personal Life

Kelly has had a few publicly known relationships. "Never Again' was written about a bad breakup with one of the producers of her very successful song "Because of You." Graham Colton went on tour with her in 2005 and sparks ignited. She has said that she remains friends with mostly all of her exes. Many have speculated her bisexuality, however never admitting to it, there is evidential proof that she is currently dating a college student, whom she met at a concert, 20 year old, Caitlin Scott of Maine. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.65.182.51 (talk) 21:29, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

none of which is relevant to her career, and her sexual preferances are her own business. Unless she specifically talks about it and it can be referances, it doesn't belong in any article. her 'dating a 20 year old college girl' is speculation, and msot likely not true at all. Alan KC 22:15, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

was the song because of you by kelly clarkson written based on her life?