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It's beyond an editor's purview to make judgments about the motivation behind the activities of the subject of the article. Factually, they made a large appearance in a video made by three extremely popular musical artists. Similarly, other articles include information about collaboration between artists. I don't know as that it's much of a pivotal moment, but it does seem to elevate their status, especially in terms of exposure. You raise some interesting points though, so it seems even more appropriate to have this entry in the article since it appears to be a potentially controversial move made by the band. Also, trivia isn't supposed to be removed -- it should be integrated into the article in an organized fashion. (see also WP:TRIV). If anything, the item should be more tightly integrated into the body of the "other activities" section of the article. Can you think of any other reasons why the item shouldn't appear, other than the WP:POV items that you mentioned above? Patrick925 22:56, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It does not need to be here for several reasons. It is just useless trivia. They are not stars of the video, they are background extras for the video, the do not sing in it, nor do they play music in it. They are not included the artists listed in the video either. It is a video for a song by R. Kelly featuring Ludacris and Kid Rock. Kill Hannah did not play music on the song. Naming it as an integregal part of their career is no more than useless trivia, Because it has nothing to do with their career. There is no difference than them being in the video than any off the other extras in the video. Furthermore there isn't even any info of their own videos on their page. And no it shouldn't be intergrated into any other part of the page for all the reasons I stated. Musically this video has nothing to do with their career. Also the fact of you stating it should be included because "it does seem to elevate their status" is a personal POV expressed by you. They are not in a large portion of the video. If you add up all the time and member is on camera (all the times are about oone second each, two seconds max) it is about 30 seconds, out of a 7 minute videoAladdin Zane 12:26, 23 October 2007 (UTC)Aladdin Zane 12:20, 23 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That's your opinion. The yappeared in it, it's reportable, cited and encyclopedic, it's written in NPOV style, and your continual removal is POV-based. 75.3.112.64 01:24, 27 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
They did not star in the video, They have nothing to do with the music or vocals in the video. They were hired as extras same as everyone else in the video. It is not encyclopedic.Aladdin Zane 12:40, 27 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
How do you know that they were hired? Seems to me that this could be inserted into the article by changing this sentence; "Kill Hannah signed with Atlantic Records in late 2002, while being managed by Steve Hutton, Kid Rock's former manager. Kill Hannah has since parted company with Hutton." To something like this; "Kill Hannah signed with Atlantic Records in late 2002, while being managed by Steve Hutton, Kid Rock's former manager (the band later appeared along side Kid Rock in the Ludicris/R. Kelly/Kid Rock video for the song "Rockstar) Kill Hannah has since parted company with Hutton." Patrick925 16:48, 27 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
They may not have been hired, They may h ave just been unpaid extras in the video, a lot of extras are. Bottom line is, there is a reason their name isn't on the video. R. Kelly, Ludacris and Kid Rock actually performed on the song and in the video. Kill Hannah was just in the background (in less than 30 seconds of the 7 minute long video), and that's if you add it up 1 to 2 seconds at a time as a member appears here and there. If they actually played on the song it might have been noteworthy. If there was a section on here including there videos. But there isn't a section, and even if there was Kill Hannah did not contribute as music artists to the song or video.Aladdin Zane 23:25, 27 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

lips like morphine

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their best song? tell me what you think, im adilghanty

(UTC)Correction. I found two songs crediting K. Finnerty. They are, "Nerve Gas", and "The Trains are So Loud". If that is correct, A. Morganstern has more songs co-credited to him than K. Finnerty. If there is source material that states otherwise, please provide it. --PatrickR

Found one more. "A New Medicine" which makes three. The same number as A. Morgenstern. --PatrickR

I added a POV tag to the Finnerty section. I believe that it is currently sourced enough that it doesn't require this tag, but I think people should discuss the repeated anonymous edits which bias the article. --PatrickR

I also have "A New Medicine" credited to her. --Joe

Thanks Joe. This was added and cited about a month ago. --PatrickR

Clearly Patrick R has no clue on how to not only spell Finerty's name nor understand the history of her. His contributions to this is inaccurate as well as favoring Devine. The information provided by him is not fact.


I have provided citations for the song writing credits. I'm not sure how the article is favorable to Devine other than the fact that he is the creative force and leader of the band, and naturally the article would discuss his accomplishments. Following Wiki policy, my additions and edits have met the criteria for verifiability. (as well as Wiki guidelines for civility on discussion pages). I have repeatedly requested that people discuss this article instead of blanking sections (a Wiki policy violation) and vandalizing sections that are unfavorable to subjects of the article. I have also added a netrality warning to the Finerty section, and invited people to discuss. The goal here is to improve this article with verifiable information, and all of the article meets that. If there is incorrect information that can be verfied, improve the article and sign your name to your edits. Patrick925 20:29, 12 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Howie Beno did not contribute to the writing of Nerve Gas. He did, however, contribute to All That He Wants, Don't Die Wondering and A New Medicine. I have corrected this. I will take pictures of the booklet to end further dispute. --Joe 13:36 6 July 2006 (PST)

I reverted back to what appears to be the last known "good" article. It seems that somebody accidentally wiped out large sourced sections Patrick925 06:47, 12 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No, it was not a mistake. Howie Beno was NOT a contributer to Nerve Gas. Only Kerry Finerty was. --Joe 21:52 20 July 2006 (PST)

Joe: I was referring to somebody blanking the entire discography. Patrick925 13:51, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Patrick: lol, sorry. My mistake. I was unaware of that. --Joe 12:17 22 July 2006 (PST)

What is the bullshit in the current members section? should that be removed? Avenged Evanfold 03:03, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If I recall correctly, The Beauty in Sinking Ships was released shortly after or before American Jetset in 1999. It was however a collection of recordings and outtakes recorded from about 1995 to 1996. Which I believe is the source of the misconception. I can't confirm this, but someone might go ahead and make a trip to KillHannah.com using the internet wayback machine to check. (Edit whoops) --Robert December 8th, 2006, 1:53pm (EST)

Garret

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Dose anyone know why Garret left the band? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by KHislove (talk • contribs) 15:30, 20 February 2007 (UTC).[reply]

I heared he had a baby. Well not him but his wife.. or.. something. Just a guess from something I heared. CHeck out their myspace and their blogs. It might say something about it. (216.120.198.130 16:55, 16 March 2007 (UTC))[reply]


Are they emo?

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Kinda seems that way. And I'm not emo-bashing, I'm just wondering if that should go under the Genre label. Kingoomieiii 01:28, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No they are not emo. they are Alternative / Rock / Electronica. Personaly I don't think "emo" is a lable apropriate for music.--KHislove 19:22, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, a lot of people do. -->Emo (music)
Kingoomieiii 00:25, 18 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

why does everyone in the whole world call a band emo?! if you ask me..they just talking crap. this band is sooo not emo, they r Alternative rock, electronica and maybe Pop-Rock. Matt 2601 atl (talk) 17:41, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

hey does any one know where to get the other kh. cds in stores i have , until theres nothing left of us , and for never and ever . have their other cds made it to stores . if so can someone PLEASE tell me where to get them . --- killhannahlover666

This band is of the genre Alternative Rock with HEAVY influences of the genres "New Romantic", "Post-Punk", and "New Wave". All movements from the 1980's... Nothing Emo about these guys at all. If you're wondering about their image; It's identical to 1980's Gothic Rock/New Romantic. - NineInchNailed —Preceding unsigned comment added by NineInchNailed (talk • contribs) 01:51, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

They also have a bit of Dreampop influence in some of their songs (and played with many local Dreampop/Shoegaze bands), but I don't think it would warrant that label (let alone provided sources for that tag).JanderVK (talk) 06:11, 17 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Removed section

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Do not reinsert unsourced, derogatory material about living persons. FCYTravis 00:19, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

^.^ The other Kill Hannah CD's are really rare and superexpensive but you can get them on Amazon.com And the definition of emo music is basically hardcore that american hardcore people said wasn't good enough. So I resent that. --- anonymous —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.235.224.46 (talk) 15:34, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Major Cleanup

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Alright, so I've gone ahead and cleaned up the article a bit. There was a lot of excess information and useless lists. For example, we don't need a list of every band they've ever toured with, nor do we need a list of how many remixes people have done of their songs. Likewise, I removed the section that just listed all of the stuff the band members had done that was unrelated to the band itself. I also streamlined the Discography section a bit, as well as the band members section. For example, birthdays are not something that is needed in a band article. But above all else, you NEED to remember that Wikipedia is not a fansite. It is a place for concise information about the band, not detailed accounts of everything that's happened to them, or every last release they've put out. Try to keep it to the more important stuff. If you have any issues with the edits I've made, please address them here first, don't just revert them outright. Rwiggum (Talk/Contrib) 21:36, 3 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think deleting certain things such as "The Beauty In Sinking Ships" and "Unreleased Cuts" was a mistake, being that these are A) official releases and B) important to the band's back catalog. Just because they're no longer in print doesn't mean they weren't significant. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.166.23.133 (talk) 23:38, 20 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In all honesty, that was a mistake on my part. I think that, in converting the discography to a table format, a few things were lost in the move. I'll be sure to go back and add those back when I can. Rwiggum (Talk/Contrib) 23:54, 20 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]


The Beauty In Sinking Ships

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"The Beauty In Sinking Ships" was NOT released in 1996. It came out in 2000. It was RECORDED in 1996. It mostly comprises of the sessions Mat did with John Hughes' son, among a few other sessions. Only 100 CDR copies were pressed. This information comes directly from the band themselves. http://web.archive.org/web/20000303115838/http://www.killhannah.com/contents/merch/merchandise.html - IGR. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.12.184.104 (talk) 01:50, 3 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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