Talk:Kilmartin

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Templar talk[edit]

Given that it is easy enough to find references for Baigent and Leigh etc.'s views on the Templar graves (for example "Based on what we found and photographed, there is an undeniable record in stone of an early and widespread Templar presence in the Western Highlands." St Andrew's Society of Williamsburg) I think it's only reasonable that a reference is found for the statement that "The swords shown on many of the stones refer to warrior (or, more broadly, social) status, and have no connection with the Templars or other medieval military orders, as is sometimes suggested." Ben MacDui (Talk) 19:25, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

A great deal of what Baigent and Leigh talked about in Holy Blood Holy Grail was sheer speculation that has since been debunked. For example, they tried to link Jesus Christ to the Merovingians, based on the link that Merowig's mother was said to be a sea monster, and the early Christian symbol was a fish.  ;) Or in other words, they don't meet the standard of "reliable source." I do agree, however, that the link that you found is worth adding to the article. For example, its sentence, "A bookstore owner in Lochgilphead told us that the business about the Templars having been in that area is all a hoax." --Elonka 16:59, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
Fair enough, although if the view is that there is no truth to the idea, ideally there would be a citation that was more than just a blogged comment from an unidentified book vendor. Ben MacDui (Talk) 18:19, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
I agree that the article could use better sourcing (most Templar stuff does). Aside from Holy Blood Holy Grail, do you have anything that states the Templar connection? --Elonka 19:32, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Nothing pre "Holy Blood", although now of course Google will supply endless speculation. Conversely, I can't see anything definitive which backs up the assertion that they are definitely not. However, I might know someone who has some grimoires on the subject. I shall have to wait for my next visit to the banks of the North Esk. Ben MacDui (Talk) 20:37, 5 September 2007 (UTC)