Talk:Lübeck law

Guilds in the Rat

I'm not sure what was meant by: "considering a key of representation of the guilds in the Rat of the city"

Perhaps that the means of selection of a new burgomaster was important to the representation of the guilds in the Rat?

PS: Sorry, I forgot I was not logged in. That last change to the article was by me.

Reformatting, etc.

@Hroberth Dunbar: After resolving your citation problem, I noticed that the bottom area was in a mess, before you arrived. References, malformed notes and notes section, and now the addition of inline citations, all in a jumble! Anyway, I have reworked the entire area.

Now, if you wish to add additional citations, all will go smoothly. I also added a section header for History, but please revise as you see fit. I have added this page to my watchlist, so if edits are made, I can have a look.

If you decide to work here, at some point I would like to reformat the presentation of "Cities under Lubeck law" which offends my eyes, in its current form, ie as a very looong list!

Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 22:58, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, but OMG

@Tribe of Tiger: Thanks for your effort, but unfortunately the content of this article is so unbelievably flawed, that I have a ton of work to put it right. I hope your efforts don't go to waste. Really, at least 90% needs to be deleted, is totally false or half-truths. I fixed the falsehood that there was no 'transcription' available until the 16th century (when i think a printed book was meant?). The guild quote is totally wrong (guild members were not allowed in the Lübeck Rat, I think what was meant may have been that the Rat grew out of earlier merchant guilds, but this is just speculation). Its hard to find something thats correct and at the same time there are basics which are omitted :( The list of cities is by no means comprehensive, there are over 100. A map showing the cities which acquire Lübeck law would be nice and more effective than the clunky list. As I am very busy with my studies I don't have time to fix the article in one fell swoop, but would like to little by little. I have no shortage of sources. I appreciate your help and enthusiasm. Hroberth Dunbar

@Hroberth Dunbar:, Based on your notes above OMG, is appropriate! I have the impression that the early years of WP were disorganized, and a bit of a "Wild West"... which eventually lead to the formulation of the logical requirements that we have now. My small contribution to this article has been to format the notes, citations and references area. If your efforts supersede some of my organization here, or the minor addition of the generalized History section-header, that's just fine! My main concern was to set things up properly, so that you could work, and have your refs organized within the page.

Working little by little is absolutely acceptable, as there is no deadline. Your knowledge is a boon, and others are willing to assist with the pesky technical details. I think we can find a mapmaker, at some point, as there are skilled people in this area.

The major problem with your work here on WP, is your inability to sign your posts, by using the four tildes ~~~~. At one point, I posted the following on your talkpage:

"Now, despite the fact that you typed out the "ping" properly, unless you actually sign the note with the four tildes ~~~~, the computer system, evidently, does not "know" to send the notification to the person you have "pinged"."

The only reason that I have found your notes to me, is because I have made a special effort to search thru your contibutions to find them! In the beginning of my editing at WP, I had to stare at my American-English based keyboard for some time, in order to locate the tildes ~ symbol. I have no notion of where it is located on a German-based keyboard.

As soon as you sign in to WP, using your private password, the system recognizes you as Hroberth Dunbar. So, when you type the four tildes,~~~~ at the end of a post, it automatically adds YOUR name, the time, AND sends a notification to the editor. You have already learned how to properly address/ping/notify at the beginning of the note/post to others, so this part is just fine.

Here is another note on this topic, which was left on your talkpage:

Just a quick sidenote (I'll reply to the rest of your message as soon as I have more time): The tildes you inserted there are small tildes, which is likely why the software doesn't parse them. Depending on your keyboard layout, you may have to use a special key combination to get regular tildes. Another option would be to copy paste them or use the Charinsert extension which you can find at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets - it gives you the possibility to directly insert your signature. Pinging might be easiest to explain with an example: Typing {{re|Blablubbs}} renders as @Blablubbs: and notifies me that someone mentioned me. Best, — Blablubbs ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:46, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

I am trying my poor best to explain, but if you have further questions, please ask the experts at WP:Teahouse, where good advice is always available. Best wishes, as always! Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 00:51, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

citation problem

hi Tribe of the Tiger, thanks for the help with the Handschriftencensus article and for the congrats. I am presently having difficulties with a a citation for an edit in the article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%BCbeck_law The earliest Latin manuscript transmitting the Lubeck Law dates to 1226, the oldest Middle Low German manuscript to 1270. The earliest reference to a Lübeck Law manuscript is attributed to 1188. The Lübeck Law is influenced by the merchants from Westphalia who settled Lübeck as well as by the Holstein land law and the Schleswig Law.

Buchhester, Dörthe & Mario, Müller (2014) [1st pub. 2014]. "Lübisches Recht". In Achnitz, Wolfgang (ed.). Deutsches Literatur Lexikon des Mittelalters, Band 6 das wissensvermittelnde Literatur bis zum Ausgang des 14. Jahrhunderts (in German). Walter de Gruyter Verlag. pp. 508–516. ISBN 978-3-598-24996-9.

Somehow I can't get it to make a footnote. Could you please help? Its probably child's play for you. There is so much that is false in this article, that 95% of it should be deleted. I am shocked that there is only 1 reference, even that reference (Ebel) does not accurately reflect the source. Since I have been concentrating on the Lübeck Law in my studies for the last year I could try to improve the article. Thanks, Hroberth Dunbar (talk · contribs)

@Hroberth Dunbar::I think I have fixed the problem. When you add a inline citation, you Must enclose it with the ref tags. They are helpfully supplied for use just below the "typing panel" that we use to edit. Just click the spot in your article, click on the ref tags:...<ref></ref> ... and then insert your cite btw the tags,... <ref>Insert here</ref>...

Does that help? I am going to post some helpful info on your talk, for future reference.

Another thought. This article was started in 2006, when some of the present rules may not have been in place.

If you could add references and improve, that would be wonderful! Especially the refs. Best, Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 21:46, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

@Tribe of Tiger::I made some edits to the first paragraph of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lübeck_law and corrected some catastrophic errors and added references. One question, the Cordes reference didn't go by page numbers but column numbers (2 per page); a German proclivity. I tried replacing "pages" with "columns" but it was not accepted. Can you think of a solution? I could put "(columns)" after the numbers?

Would it be possible to add an image of the manuscript? Its posted on de.wikipedia already, hopefully that would cover the copyright concerns?https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bardewikscher_Codex#/media/Datei:Bardewik_Codex_1.jpg :https://www.wikiwand.com/de/Bardewikscher_Codex

Thanks and have a great day! Hroberth Dunbar

Page break

@Hroberth Dunbar:, CORDES: the present ref reads as pages 1072-1092. Are you saying that you wish this to read as "columns 1079-1092"? Just wish to confirm...Either way, I can ask experienced editors for advice, as I do not know the answer. User:Ermenrich may be able to help, as they have a Ph.D in medieval German literature. Please confirm, and I will ask on your behalf at various places, until we find an answer.

IMAGE: Any image posted on ANY Wikipedia site, was First uploaded into WP:COMMONS. So, you can use them, no problem! I have added the image. Now, you will see, under the image is a caption. We can change this, to a better description, if desired. After adding the image, I revised the caption from "Bardewik Codex 1" to the longer description found in Commons, "The "Bardewik Codex" of Lübeck Law, written in 1294". As you can see, the longer caption allows us to highlight the relationship between an old (and beautiful) manuscript page, and its relationship to Lubeck Law. Hope this helps.

Thanks so much for contributing your specialized and scholarly knowledge. On WP, I am what is known as a WP:WIKIGNOME. We tend to work in the background, as support personnel, and really enjoy being of assistance! You are doing wonderful work, and I am pleased to assist. Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 03:23, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the ping! I have not figured out to cite with columns, I just use pages instead. This actually isn’t uncommon when authors writing in English cite the Verfasserlexikon or LexMA for English language sources- citing by column is just not very common or familiar in English, and many citation styles like Chicago don’t even specify pages. I assume this is why it doesn’t seem to be a possibility in the cite templates here. So I’d just stick to calling them pages.—Ermenrich (talk) 12:21, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

@Ermenrich: I thought you would know the answer, thanks for the advice! Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 20:45, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

​@Tribe of Tiger:Thanks for the upload of the manuscript image, inspires me to slowly improve/ correct the article. Also, the rearranging of the introductory section is great. I am confused about signing pings with the 4 tildes, for instance, i don't see where others have done it in this thread. Do the tildes get automatically deleted once the ping has been responded to? I just noticed one can insert the tildes at the bottom here. Did it work this time?Hroberth DunbarHroberth Dunbar (talk) 15:13, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Yes, Yes, Yes! Hooray! You successfully added the four tildes! Now your pings work! Yes, the computer system knows that *you* are the editor adding the tildes, and automatically converts them to your proper, standard, signature, etc. You can see this for yourself by signing the four tildes, and then pressing "Show Preview", which is beside the Publish button. Your tildes are magically converted! It has nothing to with whether your pings are answered, though.

Glad to help, here. An image is always a nice touch, good work on finding it! Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 20:41, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Moved to User talk:Ermenrich § Nice to meet you