Talk:List of National Historic Sites of Canada in France

New pages for National Historic Events and Persons

I've added a table listing other extra-territorial national historical designations. Two are in France, but most are not, which suggests perhaps a page might be developed listing the Events and Person (there is only one) at sites outside Canada. Unless, of course, folks find this table satisfactory.

But this highlights another need. While the Sites enjoy attention with an article and full lists, Events do not. This should be rectified, though I realize it's a major project to include them. (The Sites alone comprise a huge list.) Yet adding them would round out the national commemorative program. There is a page with a list for Persons already. I've often felt there's a bias in favour of Sites over the other two, perhaps because Sites are commonly referred to, and have a physical location. Some Sites are also part of the national park system, even those for persons (e.g., Alexander Graham Bell National Historic Site. Frankly, I'm not sure why the HSMB makes a distinction between sites, events and persons. All could be Sites, because events are most often tied to a place, as are persons.

I'm keen to learn others' thoughts, and to contribute to the new listings if it's agreed to create them. Yoho2001 (talk) 15:26, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Your additions are very helpful, but not here. I have removed them from this list, for possible future use elsewhere. This is a list of NHSCs in France, not a general list of Cdn historical designations in other countries. While your additions were well done, this is not the place. Your comments about events are well taken. Personally, for what it is worth. I would focus on what already exists rather than creating new lists. As you have noted, events are not currently listed, which s perhaps the biggest existing oversight, and you may want to create a list at the National Historic Events of Canada article. Like you said, a list of extra-territorial national historical designations would be good to have, although like I said, we don`t even have full lists of the basic designations yet. --Skeezix1000 (talk) 03:44, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

The table blossomed out of an awareness that there were several Events which are the equivalent to these Sites in all but name, including two Events in France. The two Sites in France are exceptions to the general rule of naming historic battles as Events when outside Canada. The suggestion to create a full list of Events is a good one. But to be consistent with existing formats, there would need to be pages for Events in Belgium, Events in China, Events in the Netherlands, Events in the United Kingdom...too many pages for too few entries, I think. There would also need to be one for Persons in Belgium as well. Because there are relatively few designations outside the country, it might make more sense to consolidate them onto one page. That, I suppose, is what I was attempting to do here, though it would require a renaming of the page.

On another level, I wonder if there ought to be some type of a consolidated list based on geography, because all three designation types are interrelated--Sites, Events, Persons. And the vast majority are interpreted the same way, with a federal plaque. Someone interested in history, and especially in the markers which identify this highest level of commemoration, would presumably be just as interested in those at Sites as those for Events and Persons. Yoho2001 (talk) 15:18, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

The existing lists are long enough, without then mixing different types of designation into longer consolidated lists. While I agree that there are some similarities among the three designations, there are also significant differences, and in any event, events and persons lend themselves better to being organized by themes/professions than location. As for deisgnations outside of Canada, I am not sure why we would need an Events in Belgium list -- first, I don't think events are best organized by location, but even if they were organized that way, one list for all events outside Canada would suffice. Better than mixing apples and oranges. In any event, much of this is moot because there are more pressing tasks at hand - we don't even have a basic list of events yet, the conversion of sites to table format is a monumental task, we are missing articles for a lot of sites that should have them, and we are missing photos for way too many of the designations (I am leaving notes for users on Flickr asking them to freely license their photos, which has resulted in some success these past few months).--Skeezix1000 (talk) 16:18, 29 December 2010 (UTC)