Talk:List of Native Americans of the United States

This article was nominated for deletion on 8 July 2008. The result of the discussion was keep.

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Whew! It survived. I always knew it should as there was no real reason it should of even been nominated. But as I stated in the discussion it was perfectly OK with me to remove the word "notable". Because I was thinking about the fact that you had to be notable to have an article on Wiki, but I do know some squeek thru that aren't really notable. Swampfire (talk) 15:23, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I added Touch the Clouds, the 7 feet tall nephew to Crazy Horse, he saved his live once and was present at his death. I personally hope him not being in this list was a mistake, it would be a shame if such a great figure would not have been deemed notable enough! J.B. (talk) 11:54, 20 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There are no mistakes, list is an on going effort, feel free to addSwampfire (talk) 17:00, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Redlink removal

These are some redlinks I removed from this list. Obviously, I did not want to prohibit their creation so am moving to talk page for future assessment as candidates for inclusion. – B.hotep •talk• 12:53, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Joseph Firewater Budnik -- (Navajo) Civil war general
Winchester Colbert -- (Chickasaw) chief
James Logan -- (Mingo) chief

Criteria

Every actor, musician, and performer in the United States claims some Native American, most often Cherokee, descent. This is does make them Native American. Please stick to people that actually belong to a Native American tribe, Alaska village, or Native Hawaiian community. -Uyvsdi (talk) 01:56, 28 February 2012 (UTC)Uyvsdi[reply]

BTW for nonenrolled people who claim Cherokee descent, there is a list they can be added to: List of people of self-identified Cherokee ancestry. -Uyvsdi (talk) 01:57, 28 February 2012 (UTC)Uyvsdi[reply]

~~Amen.~~ Aooʼ Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 ^{> haneʼ} 03:08, 28 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That is NOT the criteria I used when creating this article or when I fought my way through the afd process, It is for ANYONE of them of Native American descent. You do NOT have to belong to a tribe.Swampfire (talk) 02:59, 29 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You might consider reviewing Wikipedia:Ownership of articles. Extensive conversation about criteria for lists of Native Americans can be found here: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North America/Archive 11#Defining indigenous American identity and here: Talk:List of Native American women of the United States#Criteria for inclusion. Being "of Native American descent" is not the same as being "Native American." -Uyvsdi (talk) 03:52, 29 November 2012 (UTC)Uyvsdi[reply]

And none of that has any direct bearing on this page or this list, and was not used as criteria for this list, and is not meant as criteria of this list. This is a wikipedia article, not a (native american article only if you belong to a tribe article) as there is NO WAY to acurately guage everyname on this list was an actual tribe member or is. So Yes even those of what some may deem so descent may still be included on this list, unless it can be 100% proven they are not of the descent that was stated. Swampfire (talk) 02:35, 1 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Twice you've recently attempted to delete criteria without edit summaries or further discussion. Discussions of how to list Native Americans have taken place all over Wikipedia, most extensively at Talk:List of Native American women of the United States/Archive 2 and are a reoccurring subject at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North America. The terms "List of Native Americans in the United States" means something. If you cannot "acurately guage everyname" on the list, then those names don't belong in on Wikipedia, since a fundamental principle of Wikipedia is verifiability—"All material in Wikipedia mainspace, including everything in articles, lists and captions, must be verifiable." The criteria on this and numerous Native American lists allow for non-enrolled and disenrolled individuals to be included with the distinguishing term "of descent." -Uyvsdi (talk) 16:56, 16 September 2013 (UTC)Uyvsdi[reply]

Uyvsdi, You seem to be referring to me without realizing, I am that one that created the article and set the original criteria. I am also the one that fought the afd using the original criteria for it to even still be here on Wikipedia. The edits I made reverts to the original intent and not your specific opinion that it should ONLY be for people that actually lived in a tribe. But apparently at sometime you came to the delusional illusion that you somehow own this article and that you set the criteria to what you think it should be. The criteria for this article was set forth when it was created, and was a part of the discussion during the afd on keeping this article and what you added that I removed was not a part of that process which is why it was removed. So don't try and make me look like the bad guy for removing stuff you add to the criteria simply because you want it. Swampfire (talk) 20:32, 10 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]