Talk:List of United States Coast Guard people

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Auxiliary entries

Those in the Coast Guard Auxiliary are not in the Coast Guard in the way that someone enlisted or commissioned is. It's pretty much a volunteer club at this point. Should those actually be included on this list? Niteshift36 (talk) 21:17, 29 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't refer to the Coast Guard Auxiliary as a club, rather they are a big part of "Team Coast Guard". "Team Coast Guard" consists of active duty and reserve Coast Guardsmen as well as auxiliarists and civilian employees. It takes the whole team to complete the Coast Guard's 11 statutory missions. The auxiliary often stands operational watches alongside active and reserve as unpaid volunteers. They do the majority of the Coast Guard's boating safety mission. They assist in ALL Coast Guard missions except those involving law enforcement or defense activities. These missions are limited to the active and reserve components of the Coast Guard by law. The Coast Guard considers auxiliarists essential to the completion of the Coast Guard mission and they are "Coast Guard People" in every sense of the term. If you would limit the list to active duty and reserve personnel then the title of this article would properly be List of United States Coast Guardsmen".

As the lead of the article United States Coast Guard Auxiliary states:

"Collectively the Auxiliary contributes over 4.5 million hours of service each year and completed nearly 500,000 missions in service to support the Coast Guard.[4] Every year Auxiliarists help to save approximately 500 lives, assist 15,000 distressed boaters, conduct over 150,000 safety examinations of recreational vessels, and provide boater safety instruction to over 500,000 students. In total the Coast Guard Auxiliary saves taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars each year."

Sure, they are Coast Guard People and damned good ones at that! Cuprum17 (talk) 22:06, 29 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not saying they aren't good people and that they don't serve a purpose. They just aren't actually in the Coast Guard. My guess is that you are in the Auxiliary and my statement hurt your feelings. Niteshift36 (talk) 22:20, 29 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You haven't hurt my feelings; however, the Auxiliary does serve a purpose. My Wikipedia page tells part of my history. I am a retired chief petty officer that served 24 years in the military, 18 of which were in the Coast Guard. I worked with and beside many auxiliarists during the time I was in the Guard and they made my job easier in a lot of respects. Many of the auxiliarists were former Coast Guardsmen. As far as the Coast Guard active and reserve personnel are concerned they are a part of the Coast Guard family and deserve the recognition that they have earned. Auxiliarists are integrated into all levels of Coast Guard operations. They are unpaid volunteers. I have never been a member of the Coast Guard Auxiliary but back in the day I was a member of the Civil Air Patrol while in high school and the experience taught me responsibility and a little about military customs as a Civil Air Patrol cadet. The Civil Air Patrol is the "other" military auxiliary which is a part of the United States Air Force. Both auxiliaries served on active status during World War II with weapons in the American Defense Zone. The law has changed since World War II, but both organizations do have interesting war histories.

Personally, I can't see why it matters whether there are some Coast Guard Auxiliarists listed in the "List of Coast Guard People" article. I doesn't hurt and listing them might even educate the Wikipedia reader as to how the Coast Guard actually works as a team. The Coast Guard is a very small organization. It has been said that there are more cops serving the City of New York than there are active duty Coast Guardsmen. Things just wouldn't get done without the volunteer cooperation of the auxiliarists. Just my thoughts. Cuprum17 (talk) 00:21, 30 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It would help if you stopped "correcting" things I didn't say. I never said that they didn't do anything of value. I never said that they weren't committed or serve a purpose. You are simply getting defensive, apparently out of loyalty. Does the list of notable Air Force include those who were solely in the CAP? Niteshift36 (talk) 14:18, 30 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I don't believe I have ever corrected things that you didn't say. In pointing out some of the reasons why auxiliarists are Coast Guard people I have mentioned some of the ways that they help the active and reserve personnel and the value that they bring to the Coast Guard mission. I am not getting defensive about this, I am merely pointing out the fact that the Coast Guard could not operate the way they do without the auxiliary being part of "Team Coast Guard"; in other words, "Coast Guard People". You are accusing me of things that I have not done in this discussion, i.e. correcting you for things you claim you never said. I am not "getting defensive".

You did start this discussion with the statement that "It's [the Coast Guard Auxiliary] pretty much a volunteer club at this point." I would take this statement as a uninformed bias on your part. My discussion afterwards was solely to point out that the Auxiliary is very much a part of the Coast Guard as a whole and the people who serve in the Auxiliary are properly to be included in the article "List of Coast Guard People". That is all I was attempting to do. You have made some changes and deletions to the article that were properly made by you because there were not proper citations or a Wikipedia article on those persons and I have not questioned this. Where I could find some reference material on a particular person I have added a couple of persons back to the list. If persons listed in the article are connected to the Coast Guard in some manner and are otherwise notable then I think that they should be listed in the article because they are properly "Coast Guard People".

Your question "Does the list of notable Air Force include those who were solely in the CAP?" is rhetorical because as far as I can tell there is no such list article. Cuprum17 (talk) 16:56, 30 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The majority of your responses have been correcting things I didn't say. For example, I never said the Auxiliary doesn't serve a purpose. Yet you have spent plenty of time telling me what it does. You decided I was uninformed. I'm not. It is a volunteer org, like the CAP. Should I thank you for not questioning the edits that I made that are 100% in keeping with Wikipedia policies and guidelines? I'm done. I asked a relatively simple question and this has wasted much more of my time than I planned for. Niteshift36 (talk) 18:05, 8 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]