Talk:List of cellists

Needs Alphabetizing

Anyone enjoy alphabetizing? CDA 16:48, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

List of Cellists and Category

Is there any reason why we should not replace this list with Category:Cellists. It seems more work to maintain this list by hand than to add the category to the individual cellist pages. Though I suppose this list does encourage people to write articles for those who have no article yet. --imars 07:39, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

I think the solution is to first categorize all the cellists with already existing articles, and then re-nominate it for deletion. I've already added non-existent articles to Requested articles under "Music", so as to still encourage to people to create new articles. CA387 09:13, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Removed link for Jiří Barta, as it was pointing to a filmmaker with the same name (a different person). No wikipedia entry exists for the cellist, but he is notable enough to belong on the list.Brozhnik (talk) 02:32, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

To make this list less unwieldy and more useful, I plan to subdivide it eventually into three: one list for living classical cellists (which I'll call "contemporary classical cellists"), another for deceased classical cellists, and a third list for non-classical cellists. Also, the page for contemporary classical cellists will be divided into modern instrument players and period-instrument players - though I'll keep both on one page. Make sense? Anyone object? Will take a week or two before this happens.Brozhnik (talk) 02:17, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Another way to make the list less unwieldy would be to remove people who played the cello but whose career was in something other than professional cello playing - e.g., Arturo Toscanini, who indeed began as an orchestral cellist but made his career as a conductor.Brozhnik (talk) 03:23, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Have completely revamped list as per above suggestions.Brozhnik (talk) 01:16, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

New lists needs a new table of contents, if anyone knows how to provide that, thanks.Brozhnik (talk) 01:17, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Notability

Many of the cellists on this list lack notability. Unless the cellist has made specific contributions to the music field—such as authoring books, teaching, or recording—please refrain from adding them (I also suspect that some cellists have been added for self-promotion). Playing well doesn't qualify; prodigies are a dime a dozen these days. I've removed some that aren't notable. CA387 09:44, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Bravo. Ancora, per favore. I've been holding back in this respect because 1) I don't know much about the cellistic world and 2) Notability =/= "reaching the ultimate pinnacle of global fame, so any random street interviewee knows their name." In other words, pretty sure there are lots of notable cellists I've never heard of, but I'm not about to add the name of the 9-year-old up the street whose playing is coming along very nicely. Hope that made at least a bit of sense, __Just plain Bill 12:51, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Take a look at List of violinists to see how this could be done -- how to highlight the legends and masters, while not eliminating the lesser known but deserving cellists. PedEye1 03:54, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Removed the actress Rosamund Pike from the list - that she used to be a proficient cellist and pianist before she took up acting is not an adequate reason to include her on either list. Obvious, right? Brozhnik (talk) 00:14, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Removed the filmmaker Terry Zwigoff from the list - the fact that he once played cello and mandolin in a band with R. Crumb is fun to know, but does not qualify him for this list, which should be restricted to those whose primary professional activities include cello-playing and who have become notable for this cello playing. Otherwise it's a useless grab-bagBrozhnik (talk) 14:19, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

Sources

For redlinks, i.e. where there is not a handle to some other place with sources, there should at least be sources that each person is a cellist and is notable. —Centrx→talk • 14:55, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Entirely agree and have removed all redlinked names without sources - some could well have been genuinely notable cellists, but without sources, who's to say? Some were probably vanity edits. For anyone who wants to see whether I have discarded gems with the dross, the pre-clean-up version was this. Bencherlite^Talk 22:25, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Um... actually I think you have discarded some notable cellists, that I would strongly suggest be reinstated, including:

• Myung-Wha Chung:

She is one of the famous Chung siblings (violinist sister Kyung-Wha Chung; pianist/conductor brother Myung-Whun Chung). Was a student of Rose and Piatigorsky. Has played as a soloist with many of the world's top orchestras. Hell, she has even played at the White House and at the United Nations! Has recorded for Decca, EMI, Deutsche Grammophon. She plays the 1731 'Braga' Stradivarius cello. Admittedly she has a lower profile than her two aforementioned siblings, probably because she tends to teach more nowadays rather than concertize, but in short... how can she NOT be included in a list of notable cellists?

• Leo Stern (1862-1904)

Student of the legendary Davidov. Stern was the cellist who premiered the Dvorak cello concerto - with Dvorak himself conducting! He even has a Stradivarius cello named partly after him, the 'General Kyd; ex Stern' Stradivarius (now owned by the Los Angeles Philharmonic). Considering his significance in cellist history, how can he not be considered worthy of Wikipedia notability?

• Carl Fuchs (1865-1951)

Another distinguished historical cellist and pedagogue. Student of Cossman and Davidov. Knew Robert and Clara Schumann. Played under Brahms, Saint-Saens, Hans Richter. Knew many of the legendary virtuosi of the day, such as Anton Rubinstein and Adolph Brodsky. His memoirs (published in 1937) are illuminating to musicologists. --Whimsical Oracle (talk) 01:54, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Okay just want to say that I have just created a new Wikipedia entry for Myung-Wha Chung, so she need no longer be redlinked. I'll try to get round to creating entries for other noteworthy but redlinked cellists when I have the time, if someone else doesn't get there first.

--Whimsical Oracle (talk) 22:05, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Consider listing by century, then by alphabet

As has been done for the Violinists.PedEye1 (talk) 00:55, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Doreen Vaanden

Does anybody have any sources about this cellist? I couldn't find this name outside WP mentioned as an cellist. --Pflastertreter (talk) 18:54, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Removal of names without appropriate consensus

User:IronGargoyle has been unilaterally removing content from this list on the grounds of notability. While some names may have been deserving of removal (e.g. an apparently non-existent cellist someone recently added - and I do appreciate those edits by IronGargoyle) it seems to me that the cellist of a notable ensemble (usually a string quartet) is ipso facto a notable cellist. Perhaps IronGargoyle interprets this list to be a list strictly of notable cello soloists. In my opinion, that would be an unnecessarily narrow restriction for this list. I think it is preferable to err on the side of inclusion in a list such as this. We're not trying to make a "top twenty cellists" list. We're trying to compile a list of well-known cellists that will be helpful to internet users researching cellists in Wikipedia. Tetsuo (talk) 06:01, 31 August 2012 (UTC)Tetsuo (talk) 06:54, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Notability is not inherited. I haven't been as consistently stringent on this point as perhaps I should have been. I may go back and remove other similar entries on lists as a consequence. Also, and more importantly, please see WP:LISTPEOPLE, which says that people should not be added to a list unless notability (see WP:N) is demonstrated or if there are reliable, independent sources that establish them as a member of the list. These policies have consensus. There is no need to discuss it on the talk page first. Best, IronGargoyle (talk) 15:24, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Does that mean we can remove Keith Richards from the list of Notable Vocalists? xnamkcor (talk) 20:03, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

list of famous cellists?

Why can't we have a list of people who were famous for other than cello-playing but none-the-less had cello-playing as part of their career.

For example...

Morey Amsterdam, the comedian, regularly played the cello as part of his 1950s TV show.

William Demarest, played cello as a vaudevillian before concentrating on acting.

Robert Taylor, the actor, only got to Hollywood because he had followed his cello teacher to a school in California.

Violin family

Because of the differing opinions of the family ties of the double bass I edited the violin family bit here as:

The cello (/ˈtʃɛloʊ/ chel-oh; plural cellos or celli) is a bowed string instrument with four strings tuned in perfect fifths. It is a member of the violin family of musical instruments, which also includes the violin, viola and double bass (the latter being a hybrid between violin and viol families).

On second thought, would it be better to just cut the paragraph after "...musical instruments" and make this a very concise, opinion-free paragraph? Just edit it, please, if you will — I will not start an edit war with myself (or anyone else, for that matter).--Micraboy (talk) 06:55, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

Editnotice?

This message is present at the top of the page:

To keep the lists usable and useful, please include only those who have attained notability as cellists. Please do not add those known for other activities who happen to play or have played the cello either professionally (e.g., the conductor Arturo Toscanini and composer Heitor Villa-Lobos) or privately (e.g., the actress Rosamund Pike). Also, please do not add people without Wikipedia articles, unless you can also add a reference to verify the person's notability as a cellist.

Since this is only relevant to editors, I think it should be made an editnotice. jlwoodwa (talk) 03:37, 16 October 2023 (UTC)