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Pulimurugan BO collection
[edit]@Tusk001 and Ds1480: Kindly discuss the irregularities here on this thread rather than reverting anymore since you both are entering WP:3RR violation territory with the next revert. Keep in mind about the guidelines at WP:ICTFSOURCES, WP:RSP and WP:RSN. Other page watchers and editors can also pitch in and then a consensus can be formed regarding the box office collection irregularities. Additionally, please go through the talk page archives of this page, Pulimurugan and WP:ICTF to understand the very complex and intricate labyrinth of Indian movie industry that uses promotional box office figures than the actual gross, and how we tackle it here in Wikipedia. Please don't edit war, and consider this as a 3RR warning to both. Thanks and happy editing. — The Herald (Benison) (talk) 05:41, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- The websites that @Tusk001 has cited as references (except Mint & Kerala Kaumudi) have mentioned the movie's collection as 137–144 CR in their recent articles. The movie's total is unclear and may even go below the 135 CR mark <ref>{{Cite web |title=Pulimurugan collection by PinkVilla |url=https://www.pinkvilla.com/entertainment/box-office/top-grossing-malayalam-films-of-all-time-tovino-thomas-set-to-top-mohanlal-2018-pulimurugan-lucifer-1221353 }}</ref>. Providing articles, which I have mentioned above Ds1480 (talk) 09:55, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- PinkVilla = https://www.pinkvilla.com/entertainment/box-office/top-grossing-malayalam-films-of-all-time-tovino-thomas-set-to-top-mohanlal-2018-pulimurugan-lucifer-1221353
- Asianet News = https://www.asianetnews.com/entertainment/box-office/top-grossing-malayalam-stars-film-at-rest-of-india-box-office-report-out-mohanlal-pulimurugan-tovino-2018-hrk-s6mlba
- News18 = https://www.news18.com/movies/manjummel-boys-becomes-1st-malayalam-film-to-cross-rs-200-crore-8822388.html
- TIE = https://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/malayalam/manjummel-boys-inches-closer-to-rs-200-cr-mark-globally-50-cr-in-tamil-nadu-9218992/lite/
- Zee News(Malayalam) = https://zeenews.india.com/malayalam/movies/2018-movie-beats-pulimurugan-collection-record-malayalam-multi-starrer-film-becomes-new-industry-hit-after-seven-years-140403 Ds1480 (talk) 09:59, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Tusk001 Hopefully, you have read the references I have given above. If you haven't, please read it asap, so we can reach a conclusion without violating any more Wikipedia protocols. Ds1480 (talk) 11:55, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- I've read the articles, and it would have been great if you also read them properly.
- The Asianet News article you mentioned states that 'Puli Murugan' has grossed "more than" 144 crore.
- The article on News18 mentions that they relied on information from the Cue Studio page, which is notconsidered reliable.
- Similarly, The Indian Express article also sourced box office figures from Cue and mentioned they took collection figures from Sacnik also , which are generally considered unreliable.
- Lastly, the Zee News article referenced collection figures from a Twitter post on Forum Keralam, which is undoubtedly unreliable.
- It seems we can reach a conclusion based on the details I have added. Tusk001 (talk) 12:15, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with Tusk001 here. WP:FRUIT applies. So, if two reliable sources (with no FRUIT involved), we stick to a range per MOS:FILM. Thanks. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 14:13, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- Ds1480 (talk) 16:13, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry if I have sent this already. My Wikipedia is being weird these days, so my replies isn't visible for me :/ Ds1480 (talk) 16:24, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- Is there any official figure available from the movie team, apart from the 150 cr poster by the producer?
- If there is any available, can you provide it? Ds1480 (talk) 16:27, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- After going through the page history and talk pages, I could see Pulimurugan BO's been the source of multiple edit wars. So, I'll do a detailed source analysis sometime this week and will post my suggestions here, as well as on the main article talk page. In the meantime, you may collect sources that are reliable and help out by posting them here. Thanks. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 04:10, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- So, should I straight up remove everything I see that uses Filmibeat as its source?
- P.S. Idk why my replies aren't going through. Sorry In advance, if this one also gets chopped up. Ds1480 (talk) 07:58, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry, Herald, I misread the notification and replied to the wrong msg. This one was for our conversation about Guntur kaaram. Ds1480 (talk) 08:10, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, obviously. Filmibeat.com is not a reliable source per WP:ICTFSOURCES. See that table and identify the reliable sources. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 09:02, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
- After going through the page history and talk pages, I could see Pulimurugan BO's been the source of multiple edit wars. So, I'll do a detailed source analysis sometime this week and will post my suggestions here, as well as on the main article talk page. In the meantime, you may collect sources that are reliable and help out by posting them here. Thanks. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 04:10, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry if I have sent this already. My Wikipedia is being weird these days, so my replies isn't visible for me :/ Ds1480 (talk) 16:24, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- Ds1480 (talk) 16:13, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with Tusk001 here. WP:FRUIT applies. So, if two reliable sources (with no FRUIT involved), we stick to a range per MOS:FILM. Thanks. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 14:13, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Tusk001 Hopefully, you have read the references I have given above. If you haven't, please read it asap, so we can reach a conclusion without violating any more Wikipedia protocols. Ds1480 (talk) 11:55, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
Madhura Raja
[edit]should we add madhura raja into the list as i found a lot of sources (many of them reliable) claiming that the movie did cross 100 crs. one of them is this one: https://www.sacnilk.com/news/Madhura_Raja_Box_Office_Collection_Day_Wise_Worldwide seems like a pretty credible one as it has mentioned the movie's total box office collection without the inclusion of other non-theatrical revenues like satellite and ott rights. so, yah what are yall opinion on this? Credmaster 20 (talk) 16:14, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
- Please refer to WP:ICTFSOURCES to identify reliable sources. Sacnilk.com is not a reliable source. Thanks. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 16:28, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
- @The Herald
- what about these sources?
- 1. https://www.khaleejtimes.com/wknd/bollywood/mammootty-bollywoods-loss
- 2. https://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/malayalam/mohanlal-unveils-first-look-of-unni-mukundan-bruce-lee-6605891/
- 3. https://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/malayalam/mammootty-next-film-title-shylock-shakespeare-5831714/lite/
- all claims that the movie grossed over 100 crs Credmaster 20 (talk) 16:36, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, they look credible too. But have look at the movie's talk page for similar discussions. Thanks. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 16:45, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
- None of the recent articles support the claim that Madhuraraja earned 100 crores. The articles published at the time of its release were merely based on promotional posts on social media. We've previously discussed the collections of Madhuraraja, Mamangam, and Lucifer. If we include Madhuraraja as earning 100 crores, then we should also consider Lucifer as earning 200 crores and Mamangam as earning 100 crores as well. However, since none of the recent articles mention Madhuraraja, I'm removing it from the list Tusk001 (talk) 07:21, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- I totally support Tusk's decision of removing Madhura Raja from the list. Madhura Raja's final box office collection is most likely around 75-80 cr. Some news portals may report the promotional figures as the official collection, especially the ones that were posted during the period of movie's release, because of its source being from the producers itself. (Unrelated to this topic) Just like Lucifer's 200cr and Mamangam's 100cr, Pulimurugan's 150cr is also a promotional figure, which was given by the producer at that time. There are no official collection figures available for these movies, so we can't really report one amount as the official collection. We should instead use the lowest & highest collection figures available to us, from different trustworthy sources, rather than relying on the promotional ones. Ds1480 (talk) 12:25, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Ds1480 alright thank you yall. most of sources does look like promotional figures to me now as you said. wait so is Pulimurugan 152cr also not its real collection? then why is it high up in the list? Credmaster 20 (talk) 12:39, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Sources like Asianet News have reported the collection as 140 cr+ in their latest articles. The collection can be anywhere from 134 cr - 152cr Ds1480 (talk) 08:38, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- The sources I've referenced regarding Pulimurugan's collection are predominantly recent, with one from 2017 and the rest from either 2023 or 2024. Given this, there seems to be no need for promotional activities during those periods. Additionally, an event organized by the production team celebrated the film reaching the 150 crore mark,(Still available on hotstar ) after completing 150 days of release and just days before the Asianet premiere. It seems unlikely that there would be an expensive promotion at that stage. Pulimurugan performed exceptionally well at the box office, grossing 100 crores in just 25 days and running for over 125 days. Furthermore, it garnered over 12 crores from the Telugu dubbed version. With all these factors considered, it is very unlikely that the film's total collection would be just 140 crores.(means only 25 crores in 100 days of theater run )
- Recent Asianet news post also stat ed that Pulimurugan grossed more than 145 crores,(more than,, not an accurate figure)
- Therefore, based on these arguments and references, it seems appropriate to maintain the collection figure as it is. Tusk001 (talk) 09:08, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- The arguments sounds like WP:SYNTH and inching towards WP:OR. We need exact references which mention the figures and those references should be reliable, independent, must be accepted by WP:ICTFSOURCES and shall not be WP:FRUIT. If a cite says more than 145 crores, the resulting edit should be est. ₹145 crores, not 150 crores (Estimated is the key word here. Which is why ICTFMOS is very clear to use est template in infoboxes). Promotional figures are very common here and the makers celebrate those figures grandly. Noone of it is any proof for actual gross figures. Hence, make sure all those conditions are met. As I said before, of two RS are mentioning two figures, go with the range per WP:ICTFMOS. Thanks. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 09:27, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Sources like Asianet News have reported the collection as 140 cr+ in their latest articles. The collection can be anywhere from 134 cr - 152cr Ds1480 (talk) 08:38, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Ds1480 alright thank you yall. most of sources does look like promotional figures to me now as you said. wait so is Pulimurugan 152cr also not its real collection? then why is it high up in the list? Credmaster 20 (talk) 12:39, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- I totally support Tusk's decision of removing Madhura Raja from the list. Madhura Raja's final box office collection is most likely around 75-80 cr. Some news portals may report the promotional figures as the official collection, especially the ones that were posted during the period of movie's release, because of its source being from the producers itself. (Unrelated to this topic) Just like Lucifer's 200cr and Mamangam's 100cr, Pulimurugan's 150cr is also a promotional figure, which was given by the producer at that time. There are no official collection figures available for these movies, so we can't really report one amount as the official collection. We should instead use the lowest & highest collection figures available to us, from different trustworthy sources, rather than relying on the promotional ones. Ds1480 (talk) 12:25, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
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Please edit Aadujeevitham Worldwide Gross is now at 155.43 crore. It's the 3rd highest grossing malayalam movie now.
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https://www.koimoi.com/box-office/aadujeevitham-the-goat-life-box-office-collection-day-29-recovers-making-cost-coming-weeks-will-be-exciting-to-watch/ EvieJames (talk) 17:46, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 18:45, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- Rs 152.94 crore
- http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/109599178.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst
- Is this acceptable? EvieJames (talk) 18:50, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- Sadly, Times of India isn't a reliable source for movie articles. You can go through WP:ICTFSOURCES table to identify the sources we accept. Thanks. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 02:10, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
Bramayugam
[edit]stop adding Bramayugam. 85crs are promotional figures including non Theatrical revenues. The sources seems quite distorted and doesn't feel too credible to me. Credmaster 20 (talk) 06:30, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
Mamangam (film) - box office shows 100 CR in Wikipedia but not listed in this list even though below 100 corers are listed 86.98.13.219 (talk) 12:56, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
Bramayugam gross wrong
[edit]Bramayugam worldwide gross is 58-60 cr... Just do a google search atleast.. Such a blunder 117.210.181.130 (talk) 22:35, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
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add missing source https://www.filmibeat.com/malayalam/news/2017/punyalan-private-limited-box-office-30-days-kerala-collections/articlecontent-pf233118-270369.html to Punyalan Private Limited to confirm existing information Lemonieschnicket (talk) 10:47, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 12:22, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
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