Talk:List of mammals of Georgia (country)

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Whales[edit]

The Right Whale is the State Mammal of Georgia USA andhas never been seen anywhere near Georgia (country). I suspect the other whales are Western Atlantic too, but haven't checked.

Dan Milton

fixed. I based it off an iucn workshop report on 'the status and distribution of cetaceans in the black sea and mediterranean sea', so should be accurate. It also included a stranding of a minke whale in Georgia in the 1880s, but that didn't seem terribly relevant.122.60.11.137 (talk) 05:29, 5 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

IUCN Red List[edit]

In the lead of each and every country list of mammals, the IUCN Red List is unmistakably introduced as reference for the status of species in the respective country. At present, neither lion nor tiger are listed as having occurred and been extirpated in Georgia.^[1]^[2] I therefore removed both from this country list. If anybody is of the opinion that the IUCN Red List assessors made a mistake, then this encyclopedia is not the place to doubt or override their assessments. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 15:51, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Bauer, H.; Packer, C.; Funston, P. F.; Henschel, P. & Nowell, K. (2016). "Panthera leo". IUCN Red List of Threatened Species. 2016: e.T15951A115130419.
^ Goodrich, J.; Lynam, A.; Miquelle, D.; Wibisono, H.; Kawanishi, K.; Pattanavibool, A.; Htun, S.; Tempa, T.; Karki, J.; Jhala, Y. & Karanth, U. (2015). "Panthera tigris". IUCN Red List of Threatened Species. 2015: e.T15955A50659951.

@Elmidae and SchreiberBike: would you please comment ? I am not interested to run into an edit war with this user who insists adding species that are not RedListed as having occurred in this country. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 16:10, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I can't assess that source. Certainly the IUCN is not infallible. I assume that for their "extinct" category at the lion entry [1] they use a date cut-off, since e.g. the Caucasus populations (which apparently went extinct in the 10th century) are not mentioned. Does that source claim that lions were present in Georgia at a later date? Can we get an excerpt of the source? --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 16:39, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

See what Geptner & Sludskii (1972, 1992) wrote about *reconstructed* range of the lion in the middle ages in Georgia : https://archive.org/stream/mammalsofsov221992gept#page/88/mode/2up. Reconstructed usually means there is no verifiable evidence, like bones or body parts found anywhere. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 16:59, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If the area under discussion in that section corresponds to modern-day Georgia (my geography of the region isn't so hot), then I agree that this does not constitute suitable evidence. This is very tentative; we can't base a statement of "previously present but extirpated" on a vague interpretation of town and river names. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 18:01, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Pleistocene moose[edit]

The Caucasian moose was described on the basis of fossil bones that were found in deposits dating to the Pleistocene. See Vereshchagin's description at https://archive.org/details/mammalsofcaucasu00vere/page/344/mode/2up !! -- BhagyaMani (talk) 22:52, 16 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Same article says they went extinct around the beginning of the 19th century, not in the Pleistocene. Ddum5347 (talk) 20:21, 17 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Bauer, H.; Packer, C.; Funston, P. F.; Henschel, P. & Nowell, K. (2016). "Panthera leo". IUCN Red List of Threatened Species. 2016: e.T15951A115130419.

[2] Goodrich, J.; Lynam, A.; Miquelle, D.; Wibisono, H.; Kawanishi, K.; Pattanavibool, A.; Htun, S.; Tempa, T.; Karki, J.; Jhala, Y. & Karanth, U. (2015). "Panthera tigris". IUCN Red List of Threatened Species. 2015: e.T15955A50659951.

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