Talk:List of schools in Suffolk

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Primary schools[edit]

There are four primary schools not listed at:

but listed at:

The first simply has an additional filter of "state school."

The schools are:

  • Beck Row Primary School
  • Elmswell Community Primary School
  • Fairfield Infant and Colneis Junior Schools, Felixstowe
  • Trinity CEVA Primary School

They are all listed as "LA maintained" on their detail pages, so I am including them.

All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 23:10, 3 March 2016 (UTC).

EL for primary school[edit]

@DGG:@Blue Square Thing: Having redirected a stub for a primary school, The Oaks Primary School, Ipswich, to this list (as a better target than Ipswich to which DGG redirected it, as the school is explicitly mentioned here), I thought an inline EL to the school's website was a reasonable and constructive addition. I'm sure I've seen many such links for non-notable schools in other similar lists. BST has reverted this, with edit summary "Nope - that\s an extenral link. There's no need - it's a nn primary so a link is of no impact." I won't get into an edit-war about it but I'd like to see that link reinstated. Not sure if there's any policy or guidance about this question of non-notable schools: is there? PamD 12:45, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Would we usually provide external links to organisations which are nn from the body of an article? Or from the body of a list in this case? I don't recall seeing such a thing before - certainly not very often. WP:EL suggests, for example, that " is not Wikipedia's purpose to include a lengthy or comprehensive list of external links related to each topic" - the problem here is that this leads to every school being linked externally - every school in the UK is required to have a website by the DfE. There's no reason, as far as I can see, to link one school but not all of them is there? WP:ELNO (go down to the last section) also suggest very strongly that we shouldn't be linking from list articles I think? Blue Square Thing (talk) 12:52, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
{{ping|Blue Square Thing} OK, I concede. In the body of an article, the school's home page would be a valid reference to support its existence. But I've now looked at a few parallel "List of schools in" articles (Lancashire, Cornwall, Sutton) and agree that adding links for primary schools doesn't seem to be done. If the enthusiasts for this school want to add content describing it and other primary schools to the Ipswich article, then links to the school websites as references would be in order, but I'll leave it to them.
I have no interest in the school beyond noticing it as a stub needing a DEFAULTSORT to stop it filing under "T", then looking at its page history and seeing it swap from article to redirect a couple of times, and finding a bettter redirect target, then thinking it would be helpful to add the link as some sort of consolation prize for the article creators (even though they hadn't bothered to add it themselves, or any sources). At one point an IP on the talk page, opposing an incorrect CSD A7, said it was a school project, so I hope any misguided teacher involved will now know that primary schools are not generally article-worthy! PamD 15:45, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
Yeah, I'd noticed a bit of chatter on this one. Seems a little promo based to me amongst other things. Best be one to keep an eye on I imagine. Blue Square Thing (talk) 16:00, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
I think PamD understands it the same way I do. Information needs a source. Sometimes there's an actual complete list we can use as a source for all of them, but usually it's built up from several sources. I think an EL is a reasonable way of doing it. This being WP, there are of course more complicated ways of doing it --a footnote can be used next to each name, with the footnote being a ref to the school web page. I've also seen it done as a table, with each entry listing the name of the school, the address (for a county list, it is relevant information to at least say where in the county it is, and the website; the date of founding ming be reasonable also. The name of the principal or headmaster is not--it's too subject to change.
I think the schools should be listed in both the city#education section and the List of schools in X; I'm not sure which the redirect should be to--if one has fuller information, it should be to that. DGG ( talk ) 03:00, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
Either the DfE, Suffolk CC or, perhaps, a local newspaper list f some kind would be a better source than a primary source. My recollection is that the standard into redirect to the school district where an article on that exists, especially in the case of urban schools. In the case of rural school I can see that a redirect to the village might be more effective - those articles are more likely to make a passing reference to the (likely sole) primary school. In a town such as Ipswich there are scads of primaries. It would be a use to get an effective prose section in the relevant article which mentioned all of them so a redirect there would probably be less effective. Blue Square Thing (talk) 04:48, 29 June 2016 (UTC)