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Text and/or other creative content from this version of Real Ting was copied or moved into Mad Lion with this edit. The former page's history now serves to provide attribution for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted as long as the latter page exists.

Preece or Priest?

His surname is listed as both in the article...which is it?--Chimino (talk) 14:37, 7 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

According to the only source cited in the article it's Priest.--Michig (talk) 15:00, 7 April 2012 (UTC) The Rough Guide to Reggae also states that he was born Oswald Priest. --Michig (talk) 15:05, 7 April 2012 (UTC) ...as does this. --Michig (talk) 14:04, 8 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

All Music Guide Attribution Needed

Sections of this article quotes sections of All Music Guide's entry for Mad Lion almost if not completely verbatim, yet there is no attribution, and at times the AMG passages are attributed to another source.

Here is the URL for comparison: https://www.allmusic.com/artist/mad-lion-mn0000190717/biography

Which parts specifically? I cut out a load of content that had been copied and pasted from Allmusic a while back. I don't see anything obvious there now. --Michig (talk) 13:18, 28 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"Cut out a load of content"? Considering AMG is strangely but currently the principal online source for information of Mad Lion, the "content" should have merely been reworded to capture the concepts without violating their copyright, with a footnote added to show from where the information came. In cases where you have to quote AMG verbatim, the quote should be in "quotes" and the part should start off with "Craig Harris of All Music Guide wrote." The content didn't need to be cut out if there was information there that could not be found online elsewhere.

Getting back to your question, consider the following:

Wikipedia: Shortly after moving to Brooklyn, New York, he met reggae performer Super Cat at Super Power Records. At Super Cat's suggestion, he adopted his professional name, an acronym for Musical Assassin Delivering Lyrical Intelligence Over Nations.[1]

AMG: Shortly after moving to Brooklyn, NY, he met reggae performer Super Cat at Super Power Records. At Super Cat's suggestion, he adopted his professional name, an acronym for Musical Assassin Delivering Lyrical Intelligence Over Nations.

A simple "Craig Harris of All Music Guide wrote" followed by the section above being put into quotes with a footnote that properly credits All Music Guide should do. I'd be surprised if the Virgin Encyclopedia of Reggae has the exact same words as All Music Guide.

Wikipedia: His addition of hip hop rhythms to Shabba Ranks' "Jam" gave hime some early success.

AMG: Mad Lion's earliest success came in the mid-'80s when he applied his hip-hop rhythms to Shabba Ranks' hit single "Jam."

This isn't verbatim, but it is extremely close to the point where it's obvious AMG was the source. This should have a proper footnote saying so. The word "hime" should also be corrected to "him".

I'll admit, writing a Wikipedia entry about Mad Lion is difficult because not only is All Music Guide is the main source of information online, but just about every other site that talks about Mad Lion merely quotes the AMG entry. I just Googled "Mad Lion reggae" (you have to include "reggae" or you'll get way too much other stuff) and aside from an occasional review that tears apart Mad Lion, or Billboard listing Mad Lion's chart positions, or Discogs listing Mad Lion's discography, or a strangely occasional blog about Mad Lion, the only thing out there in the first five pages of hits was repeats of the AMG entry. I usually find both AMG AND Wikipedia entries are repeated for other music acts, which speaks to how difficult it is writing a Wikipedia entry about this particular deserving reggae artist.— Preceding unsigned comment added by JumperTime13 (talk • contribs)

The problem was, at one time, this article was one of hundreds that had pretty much the entire Allmusic bio copied and pasted in. It needed to be removed as a copyright violation. Feel free to expand the article using the Allmusic bio as a source. Note that quite a lot of Allmusic bios are actually direct copies of entries from Larkin's Encyclopedia of Popular Music, which were licensed to the website. --Michig (talk) 19:20, 28 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]