Talk:Madagascar (2005 film)
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- 1 Imitation?
- 2 Plot, Characters And Credits
- 3 Delete Note
- 4 References
- 5 More References
- 6 "Stuff"
- 7 Bloated
- 8 Reference?
- 9 Mort
- 10 Question about the Animals' Voices
- 11 Penguins and Alex
- 12 Foosa or fossa?
- 13 King Julian
- 14 Cargo cult?
- 15 Central Park Zoo
- 16 Deletion proposal
- 17 Can somebody fix this?
- 18 Popculture references
- 19 Critical Response
- 20 Characters
- 21 The "inaccuracies" section
- 22 Notable roles
- 23 Suggestion of alternate reference
- 24 Runic reference
- 25 About the cast
- 26 Not convinced about Mort's species type
- 27 Move
- 28 Edit request on 19 September 2013
- 29 Edit request on 19 September 2013
- 30 Home Media Release/Edit Request 1/19/14
Can someone please enlighten me as to how we got to labeling Cohen's performance as an imitation of Robin Williams? Do we have a source on this? It really just seems like speculation. --Psotau 22:24, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
Plot, Characters And Credits
Needs to have the plot up front and integrate the character info into it. Also we surely don't need a complete credits list - we ought to leave that kind of thing to IMDB. Lee M 18:59, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
If movie/TV references are listed, could they be explained? I'll add Ice Age (Alex bumps/slides downhill just like Scrat does)
BTW, Shrek is actually mentioned in the movie. (When Alex is looking for his friends)
Somebody has deleted all but the bare bones of this article, starting with my story synopsis. It's true that the article was too long, but now it's too short. I'm putting the story section back up and we'll see what happens next. Lee M 13:13, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
Should someone mention that the movie includes loads of stuff from other places (eg. Wilson from Cast Away, the National Geographic theme music ...)
As mentioned above, the movie is full of references. It would be a good thing to integrate them into the main page.
- Sequence of steaks falling all around Alex ==> falling rose petals from American Beauty.
- Ship hijacking, ship running ashore ==> Speed 2: Cruise control
- Wilson from Cast away (the stuffed soccer ball)
- Miss Liberty from Planet of the Apes
There was a bunch of stuff deleted around 12:00, July 8, 2005 by 126.96.36.199. Most of it quite useless, belonging to IMDB, but e.g. the movie references could be used - if explained. So here is the list as of date above:
Movie and television references:
- American Beauty
- Animal Planet
- Born Free
- Cast Away
- Chariots of Fire
- The Lion King
- Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom
- Planet of the Apes (1968 movie)
- Saturday Night Fever
- To Serve Man
- National Geographic
- Ice Age
I think it would really be nice to have these on the page, but it only makes sense with some references to where they appear. I might just watch the movie again sometime...
The "Leap of Faith" Marty makes at the beginning of the flim is a paraody of a similar leap in the earlier Dreamworks moive Spirit: Stallion of the Cimarron. This should be mentioned if a referance secion is added. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 07:38, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
The sections on Pop Culture References and Trivia are too long. I'm not sure how to fix this, but it needs to be fixed.
Somebody listed in the article:
Perhaps the one who entered it could explain the reference -- I saw nothing in the film that could relate to that movie. -- Jason Palpatine 22:20, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
What kind of animal is Mort, the "mouse lemur"? ~~helix84 13:37, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
He is a species of giant mouse lemur known as Mirza zaza, -- scientific name Microcebus lehilahytsara. It has a long bushy tail and is about the size of a grey squirrel.
For information, go to http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4135670.stm. Jason Palpatine 23:05, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
Thank you. Would you add this info into the article? How did you find out anyway? Now I tried to google on 'madagascar "Mirza zaza" Mort' but nothing relevant turned up. Seems it's not too widely known. Are you sure about it in connection with the character of Mort the Lemur or you just found a "mouse lemur"? ~~helix84 13:23, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
- From the article: Microcebus lehilahytsara, or Goodman's mouse lemur, lives in eastern Madagascar's rainforest. It is little bigger than a mouse, with short, rounded ears and a white stripe on its nose. " Mort fits the description to a T. I looked it up without using his name -- it missleads the search-engine. You see, Mort is the title of a Discworld novel by Terry Pratchett and also the name of its main character. -- Jason Palpatine 15:10, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
Would you please look up the other lemurs, too and add them to the article? Existing source identifying them is preffered. Thanks. ~~helix84 18:19, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
Mouse lemur.184.108.40.206 13:53, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Question about the Animals' Voices
I'd like to ask if or if not the humans in the movie Madagascar can actually hear the animals when they attempt to talk to them; because it may seem like a goof that the officer on horseback in the movie can't hear his horse giving directions to Marty the Zebra! --220.127.116.11 13:09, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
No -- I'm afraid they're TOO intelegent to hear anything other than noise. The officer did not make out anything of the conversation that his horse was having with the Marty the Zebra! -- Jason Palpatine 21:51, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Don't forget the part when Alex makes an attempt to find Marty by calling humans. Alex is speaking real words, but when they put the view on the humans there are lion roars coming out of the reciever.
Penguins and Alex
The penguins were not stowed away on board. (When using stowed as 'To hide oneself aboard a conveyance in order to obtain free transportation.') I reworded it to show that they were also being shipped to Kenya (why penguins would be shipped to Kenya is beyond me but after viewing the film again, the box that the penguins are in says Penguins and has a shipping lable to the wildlife preserve in Kenya). Also Alex is concerned about himself rather than the group when facing the celebrity status of Shamu. --ImmortalGoddezz 22:26, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks for the rewrite, I was wondering about that myself. It seems they shipped the ENTIRE zoo.
- As for Alex, self interest is not a crime. -- Jason Palpatine 22:23, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
Penguins dont live in Kenya, I know that. Mabye the people were going to air or land ship them from there...DPG 14:04, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
HOW CAN ANIMALS TALKS?? MY DOG WONT SAY A WORD. HE ONLY BARKS AND POOPS, AND POPS. Please I want to teach my dog to talk so I can bring him to school and teach him to write my English essays if he EATS THEM WHICH HE ALWAYS DOES!!!! Any help would be much appreciated --Crazy Child — Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 02:47, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
Here are some weasel words that are often found in Wikipedia articles:
- "Some people say..."
- "Research has shown..."
- "...is widely regarded as..."
- "It is believed that..."
- "It has been suggested/noticed/decided..."
- "Some people believe..."
- "Many people say..."
- "Critics/Experts say that..."
- "Some historians argue..."
- "Considered by many..."
- "Serious scholars/scientists/researchers..."
- "Mainstream scholars/scientists/researchers..."
Isn't "are often found" itself weasel-ish? What, exactly, is this suposed to be anyway? -- Jason Palpatine 01:12, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
Foosa or fossa?
Since the spelling of this word keeps getting changed between the actual animal (fossa) and the spelling used in the movie (foosa), let's just make a template. That way, when someone wants to change the spelling, they'll only have to change it in the template and they'll get all of the wording in one fell swoop. Any objections? Val42 05:08, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
No, the actual animal is "fossa" as well. The movie simply pronounces the word as "foosa", but I don't think this is correct. Dora Nichov 04:33, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
In the soundtrack book it says foosa and as long as it pertains to the subject I would keep it that way. DPM 01:32, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
I know they SAY foosa, but it's NOT correct! Also, the TRUE spelling is fossa, so there! Dora Nichov 08:27, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
Does that mean you'd spell "which" "wich"? Dora Nichov 14:26, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
Actually, they spelled it right on the DVD, (Fossa Whack, the game, etc.). I'm siding with Dora Nichov on this. We should leave it as Fossa and not Foosa. 22.214.171.124 (talk) 03:31, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
While tagging some articles I found King Julian. As that article is linkless, and it doesn't seem to be notable to have its own article, I suggest merging any valuable content here. Someone who is in touch with this article and knows the importance of the character should be able to decide if that article has something to offer that has not been said here. Once merged, or if there is nothing to merge, convert it to a redirect to this article. Thanks! -- ReyBrujo 17:53, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
- Redirect. I agree that it's not worth its own article. --Elonka 23:55, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
- Merge and redirect — Put information in this article. Val42 04:04, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
- Merge and you migth as well delete the King Julia article as well.--Bedford 13:22, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
- Merge I don't think there's anything substantial in this article that isn't in the main Madagascar one. There's really no point in having a separate King Julian article unless is says something other than character ID. If you have some sort of analysis of the character, fine, but if it's just a mere bio, it is not necessary. Kimwells 14:37, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
- Merge the article, definitely. There's no reason for it to have its own article. --Crazysunshine 04:09, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
Well, given that there appears to be no opposition here, I put in some notes about the king in the separate article into this one, and then turned King Julian into a redirect. --Crazysunshine 04:14, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
I am going to change the location of the redirect to "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madascar_(film)#The_Lemurs" is was "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madascar_(film)" previously.--eskimospy(talk) 14:25, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
"Jamaican Accent"??????? please, fellas. it's an Asian accent (ie. Indian/Pakistani/Bangladeshi), NOT Jamaican... 126.96.36.199 (talk) 10:08, 12 February 2008 (UTC) ps. even the director calls it "Indian" (read quote in article)188.8.131.52 (talk) 10:11, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
is that really nessisary i don't thikn the lookalike after statue of liberty need to link to cargo cult, if you folks really feel the need for this odd link then by all means, i think it is out of left field and rather confusing.--Manwithbrisk 00:25, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
Central Park Zoo
Is the zoo as depicted in the film accurate? Because it seems rather terrible (a zebra kept alone in a tiny enclosure, etc), but then it's only a film. 184.108.40.206 21:04, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
In the section "inaccuracies" most of the ideas (represented by bullets) are extremely obvious and also, this article is about a ""fiction"" movie so, I think it is best to either: a. delete this section b. delete all unneccasary information from this section c. scatter the bullets amongst the whole page. eskimospy(talk) 01:26, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
The inaccuracies section should be deleted; it's totally superfluous, like pointing out that lions can't talk, penguins don't normally carry lit sticks of dynamite, and zebras as a matter of course don't set up cabana bars. Is Alex's acid trip accurate? Was there enough snow on the ground in Antarctica? C'mon, let's stick to what's relevant. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 05:54, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
Can somebody fix this?
- Ask any animal expert you want -- it's FOSSA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Anyways, I searched google for "foosa" and nothing relevant turned up. Just because a silly old movie spells it that way doesn't mean it's true. Dora Nichov 10:40, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
- You would be correct if this were an article about the animal called fossa. However, this is an article about the film Madagascar. We should document that this film spells the name of the animal incorrectly, but then state that the spelling in this article is going to use that as used in the film. Val42 19:41, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
- Uhh... How 'bout we use correct English and state the film is incorrect? I mean, if a filem spells giraffe "jirafe" you wouldn't spell it that way in the article of the movie in question. Dora Nichov 09:44, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
- Is this an article about an animal or a film? Should we then not document the film rather than the animal? But let's see what the consensus is. Val42 19:10, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
- Just because fossa are little-known and that this is a film article doesn't mean you can misspell a word. Dora Nichov 09:31, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
- Same as Val42 and, the sign says "BEWARE OF FOOSA" in the movie. If the correct spelling of foosa is fossa, that doesn't mean the sign said "BEWARE OF FOSSA" rather than "BEWARE OF FOOSA". (note: I already changed the article to say "BEWARE OF FOOSA".)--18.104.22.168 16:51, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
- Also Dora Nichov is the only user who thinks the spelling in the article should be fossa so the spelling should probably be foosa.--22.214.171.124 16:54, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
- I reverted the vandalism as well as the "foosa" change. Reading the fossa (animal) article, it seems obvious this is the animal intended to be portrayed in the film. I, too, remember seeing a sign that read "BEWARE OF FOOSA"; but I would take this as comedic license indicating the indigenous lemurs can't spell. I can remember many cartoons that portray misspelled signs that have been created by the creatures/animals in the cartoon; it would never be assumed that a misspelled sign was meant legitimately to infer a completely different meaning than the properly spelled word -- simply that our characters can't spell. — pd_THOR | =/\= | 19:43, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
- I understand what you are trying to say however, even if "BEWARE OF FOOSA" was supposed to be a joke, that is what the sign said and it should be stated in this article that "BEWARE OF FOOSA" is what the sign read.--126.96.36.199 21:54, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
I agree with that but in all other places we should use the correct spelling. Dora Nichov 09:36, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
It seems I am getting into a editfight with someone about the section of popculture references. This is not my intention, my goals are sincere and I will explain here why I deleted some of the adds.
- Gremlins. Mort may resemble Gizmo from the movie, but he does not act like him in anyway. Besides, as seen above, Mort is inspired by the mouse lemur. Just because he reminds of the furry little creature does not mean that it is a intended reference to another movie.
- Dune, The Madness of King George, Good Morning, Vietnam, Little Ghost, Napoleon Dynamite, Ravenous, - no explanation or sources. See WP:V.
Just because the IMdB has them listed as references does not mean they are intented. See where I'm getting at? The IMdB doesn't have any sources either, so to say that they are listed on that website does not mean they are needed here.
I hope I made myself clear. If there are any conflicts, I suggest we take it up to resolving disputes. WP:DR
--Soetermans 12:45, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
I removed the IMDb and Rotten Tomatoes ratings. The mention of mixed reviews (along with popular appeal and box office take) should be enough--there's no need to include info from other sites which is subject to change anyway, right? Maxrandom777 02:13, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
I put the reviews back in for three reasons: they are not subject to change, vaguely saying "mixed reviews" does not give the reader of the article an accurate picture of the film's standing, and the review information has remained unchanged since the article was created, so I see no reason to delete it now. Justanotherguy 02:16, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Can we make a new page for all of the characters of Madagascar? It was done with the Ice Age page and it makes things alot tidier. EwanMclean2005 22:24, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
The "inaccuracies" section
I took this off the main page because it seems ridiculous to point out these facts in an animated film. "Chimpanzees aren't monkeys"? "A giraffe can't bend its neck in every direction"? They also can't speak English and sing "I Like to Move It, Move It," but it's called suspension of disbelief! So for posterity's sake, I'm leaving this section here. --Procrastinatrix 17:20, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
- Fossa do not hunt in packs.
- Lemur troops are usually led by a female.
- Lemurs don't form multi-species troops.
- Hummingbirds don't live in Madagascar.
- Saguaro cactuses are not found in Madagascar.
- The nearest current to Madagascar tends to flow in a counterclockwise direction, so in real life Marty, Melman, Alex, and Gloria, would end up in either Pakistan or India.
- A giraffe cannot bend its neck in every direction. If one tried, it would break its neck.
- Adelie penguins don't live in Africa. This was mentioned by Skipper and is probably a joke.
- The Central Park Zoo does not own or house lions, giraffes, zebras or hippopotamuses. To see these animals in New York City visitors have to visit the Bronx Zoo instead.
- Chimpanzees aren't monkeys.
- There are no restrooms in in that area on the downtown 4,5,6 Lexingtion line subway station.
Two IP addresses (possibly the same editor) have added "notable roles" to the cast information and I've removed this both times. If anyone wants to know what the actors have also appeared in, they can check the articles about the actors. It's information overload to include in that table other films that they have appeared in. The choice of other work could be controversial, with different editors disagreeing about which other films should be mentioned. Oh, and the formatting was wrong... BencherliteTalk 09:40, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
Suggestion of alternate reference
In the "Allusions and parody" section, I do not agree with the proposed reference (second to last) about the line "It's been a pleasure serving with you, boys"... I believe this line is a reference to the film Titanic, when the musicians are playing during evacuation of the boat and must stop because of the high raising level of the water "Gentlemen. It has been a privilege playing with you tonight.". I did not change it in the article as I wish to start discussion on this matter. --Smumdax (talk) 22:47, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
In the book "To Serve Lemur" (in the airplane lemur reunion), the letters are written in rune-like characters. Actually, the T, the S, and the R are represented as their equivalents in runes (and L is represented as its equivalent upside-down). The O is also represented as the rune ingwaz (equivalent for the sound ng) And the M as the rune ehwaz (equivalent for E). Those characters look very perfect and like every modern representation of the runes. Anyone know why? --Midasminus (talk) 15:31, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
About the cast
Not convinced about Mort's species type
Despite the addition of the new citation that supposedly demonstrates that Mort is a Goodman's Mouse Lemur, I'm not entirely convinced. The source is from film.com, not something I would consider a reliable source. For all we know, the brief mention of Mort as a Goodman's Mouse Lemur could have been come from a reviewer who looked here on Wiki for more information. Can no one come up with a better source? Wouldn't it just be better to refer to Mort as a Mouse lemur, since distinguishing between the 16 species outside of the academic world (and especially in the academically-challenged Hollywood circle) is not likely to be accurate? –Visionholder (talk) 19:36, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
- Okay, I decided to see if I could get to the bottom of this, and here is what I found: I have only found 2 websites that mention why people think Mort is a Goodman's Mouse Lemur—one on bebo.com (a blog) and one on allexperts.com (another online encyclopedia). Both say exactly the same thing, character for character: "Mort the Lemur -- rounded ears and a white stripe on his nose show him to be a Goodman's Mouse Lemur." Regardless of which came first, it appears the author of one of these two pages made their own personal assesment, possibly using online pictures of mouse lemurs, like those found here on Wiki. From there, it looks like it took off and started popping up all over fan sites and blogs, eventually turning into "Internet FACT" (if something gets posted on enough blogs and fan sites, then it has to be true!!). Let me just say that as someone who studies lemurs and who has worked hands-on with mouse lemurs, the "rounded ears and a white stripe on his nose" do NOT demonstrate that Mort is a Goodman's Mouse Lemur. Consider this Gray Mouse Lemur photo that I helped take. Also, if you look in "Lemurs of Madagascar" (2nd ed., p. 94-96) by Mittermeier, et al., you'll see that all the mouse lemurs match that description. For this reason, unless someone can produce a source that comes directly from DreakWorks studio that states otherwise, I am considering this information to be hearsay and consequently false. Therefore, I am changing the reference to Mort to read "Mouse lemur" instead of "Goodman's Mouse Lemur". (P.S. - Now I remember why I try to avoid pages that relate to pop culture...) –Visionholder (talk) 20:12, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
Edit request on 19 September 2013
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- Not done: please make your request in a "change X to Y" format. Please provide the change you want to the artitcle, citing reliable sources. RudolfRed (talk) 02:54, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
Edit request on 19 September 2013
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- Done I believe I have fixed the only incidence of this. Please let me know if there was one I missed. Thanks! Dana boomer (talk) 02:32, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
Home Media Release/Edit Request 1/19/14
- When was Madagascar released on DVD and VHS? I do know that it was Dreamworks Animation last CGI film on VHS but not the last overall. The last Dreamworks Animation VHS was Wallace & Gromit: The Curse of the Were-Rabbit, which came out onto DVD and VHS on February 7, 2006. However, I can't edit the page because don't know the home media release date and the page is protected from vandalism. Could the Madagascar article please be edited to mention the home media release date?