Talk:Mall curfew

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: withdrawn by nominator, closed by Narutolovehinata5 talk 07:02, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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... that a mall curfew policy at the Mall of America was challenged based on its constitutionality?

Source: Go to the Mall with My Parents?? A Constitutional Analysis of the Mall of America's Juvenile Curfew

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Moved to mainspace by Reconrabbit (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Recon rabbit 00:21, 2 July 2024 (UTC).[reply]

I'll be picking this up for review, but before doing so I need some clarifications. The hook claims that the policy was challenged; however as far as I can tell it hasn't been tested in court yet, and the given source is more of an analysis about its constitutionality rather than any actual decision or lawsuit. The current hook wording might be too vague to meet scrutiny; perhaps attributing the challenge to the ACLU, or maybe changing the wording would address this concern. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:55, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It can get a little vague. A lot of articles bring up that these policies "are in a legal gray area", "have been opposed by advocacy groups", and that these analyses have been written, but no formal challenge was made. Here's an alternate (that may be a bit less exciting):
- ALT1 ... that one of the first mall curfews was opposed by the American Civil Liberties Union?
Source: Big Mall's Curfew Raises Questions Of Rights and Bias

That's probably better. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:43, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article was new enough and long enough at the time of the nomination, and everything is cited in the article and verified. I did not find any close paraphrasing. The nominator still has less than five nominations so no QPQ is required. ALT1 is okay (cited inline, AGF due to being paywalled for me), but I'd like to see some additional proposals as well. In addition, while not necessarily a DYK issue, I do note that the article is US-centric and does not mention if similar policies exist outside the US, so that may need to be addressed if sources about the practice outside of America exist. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:02, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I haven't been able to find any information about such policies that exist outside the US. I added a short subheading that points out there is little reporting and any mention of curfews in reference to a mall is due to a curfew that affects a whole population and isn't enacted by the mall itself. Recon rabbit 15:23, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Consider also ALT2 ... that mall curfews in the United States have been used since 1996 with the intent of curbing the "unruly" behavior of teenagers?
Source: Teen bans on the rise: malls, theme parks, and even a Chick-fil-A are requiring chaperones to stop rowdy minors

The problem is that the sentence about little information from outside the US is available would need to be sourced because otherwise it fails WP:SYNTH or WP:OR. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 22:46, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Reconrabbit: Please address the above. Z1720 (talk) 20:02, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I thought I replied to this but I guess not. I am finding it hard to find a source that discusses the non-existence of this kind of policy outside of the US. If that causes this article to be ineligible for DYK then so be it. Recon rabbit 01:19, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

One solution could be to write the article to be primarily about the US and delete the sentence about "information outside the US is rare". It wouldn't be ideal but it's probably the best solution in the interim. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:20, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I feel like that's what I did, since the first line of the article is "in the United States..." How should it be clarified? Recon rabbit 17:15, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe deleting the line "There is very little reported in terms of mall curfews being enacted outside the United States" would work, and instead of making a general statement, give some specific non-US examples. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:32, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Reconrabbit: Please address the above. Z1720 (talk) 00:56, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Could the nomination be withdrawn? I don't think this is going to work. Recon rabbit 02:55, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]