Talk:Markowa Ulma-Family Museum of Poles Who Saved Jews in World War II
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[edit]This article's title, "The Ulma Family Museum of Poles Saving Jews in World War II in Markowa", should be changed to "Markowa Ulma-Family Museum of Poles Who Saved Jews in World War II".
As the current title reads, this is a museum dedicated to Poles who saved Jews in Markowa only, whereas the museum (which is named in honor of the Ulma family) concerns itself, more broadly, with all Poles who saved Jews during World War II.
Thanks.
Nihil novi (talk) 22:02, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
- I see why you consider this as potentially confusing, but I am unsure whether this is sufficient to go against MoS. Maybe you could put up a WP:RM? This would also prevent someone else from moving it back in line with MoS. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:08, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
Journal articles vs. Polish press
[edit]In regards to combined diff - peer reviewed journal articles covering a topic WP:INDEPTH (and in English) are generally preferred to Polish press articles (and not in English - per WP:NOENG we prefer equal or higher quality English sources). This is particularly so in this case, given that this institution, per said journal article (and a number of others), is part of a political effort by the Polish government to whitewash the Polish past and given the lack of press freedom in Poland on the subject (due to the affects of the "Holocaust Law"). Advancing a WP:FRINGE narrative is not something that we do on Wikipedia. Poles killing Jews in Markowa (and elsewhere) is clearly relevant - as evident by the journal article bringing this up in the context of the museum. The museum minimizing the role of Polish szmalcownik as well as rescue efforts by ethnic Ukrainians and Germans in the region is clearly relevant as well.Icewhiz (talk) 06:40, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
- I need to check the contents of the edit carefully (considering IW's illustrious history) but prima facie, I do not see any reason for VM's edit w/o any participation at the t/p. Grabowski's take on the issue and this controversy has been cited by at-least half-a-dozen scholars till date. TrangaBellam (talk) 22:23, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
- I will start listing the sources tomorrow. ~ TrangaBellam (talk) 22:25, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
- Will complete this within the next few days before taking a break from Poland related articles. TrangaBellam (talk) 09:28, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
- I will start listing the sources tomorrow. ~ TrangaBellam (talk) 22:25, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
Related articles from pl wiki
[edit]pl:Zbrodnia w Markowej (1944), pl:Zagłada Żydów w Markowej, by User:Dreamcatcher25, who perhaps can consider translating them at some point :) Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 15:32, 19 March 2023 (UTC)