Talk:Marma people

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Split?

Split into Marma [rmz] and Rakhine [rki] Jesper7 (talk) 14:30, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Confusion between "Marma" and "Maramagyi"/"Maramagree"

It seems that Mr. Lionslayer who edited this wiki page, on 24 August, 2013, has confused between the Marma people of Chittagong Hill Tracts (CHT) and the so-called Maramagyi or Maramagree people of Arakan State in Myanmar.

The Marma people are actually Arakanese (Rakhine) descendants who live in CHT since 16th century. They are Theravada Buddhists who speak Arakanese (Rakhine) language. They have been recorded as Magh or Mog people by the British referring an ancient name for Arakanese seafarers who controlled various parts of the Bay of Bengal during the medieval times. Those Arakanese people in CHT were recorded as Hill Maghs or Jumia Maghs in British censuses, differently categorized from Magh [Rakhine] people who resided in the plains of Bangladesh. And, they have been known in Bangladesh as Magh/Mog people until 1980s when their name was changed to "Marma" by their circle chief Bohmong Maung Shwe Prue (the reason, Magh in Bengali language refers to "notorious pirates"). After that Arakanese people living in the plains of Bangladesh are known as "Rakhaings" and Arakanese from CHT (hill tracts) are known as "Marmas".

There is nothing to do with these Arakanese descendants (Marmas) and those people who are known as "Maramagree" who are now living in Arakan State. Maramagree people are known as "Barua People" in Bangladesh. They speak Chittagonian dialect of the Bengali language and their faith is Theravada Buddhism. Ethnically, they are Bengali descendants. According to 1982 citizenship law, they were officially recognized as one of the 135 official national races of Myanmar along with Kaman Muslims from Arakan because they seem to have been settled in Arakan before the first Anglo-Burman War.

In Bangladesh and Tripura State of India, those Barua people are claiming as "Barua Maghs" with an ambition to get a scheduled tribal status like other indigenous ethnic groups. Their use of the word "Magh" (in Bangladesh and India side) is making a confusion between those Barua people and Arakanse descendants of CHT (Jumia Maghs/ now- Marmas) & Arakanese people of Tripura (Mogs); at the same time, their Burmanized name "Maramagree" (in Myanmar side) made people of Myanmar confused them with the Marma people.

In conclusion, the "Marma people" of Chittagong Hill Tracts are Arakanese descendants (who speak Arakanese language) and the "Maramagree people" who live now in Arakan State are the Buddhist Barua people of Bengali descents (who speak Chittagonian dialect of the Bengali language).

These two communities are totally different. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blackxrays (talk • contribs) 04:26, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

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Additional sources are required to support remaining content from Magh people, which is now redirected. A single source was provided in the original content: "The Tuzuk-i-Jahangiri or Memoirs of Jahangir", Translated by Alexander Rogers (Low Price Publications, reprinted 2017).

In his memorise, the Mughal emperor Jahangir described a group of Maghs who visited him, accompanying Hushang, son of Islam Khan. He gives the date of the visit as 1 April 1613 (14th of Farvardin on the Iranian calendar, 1022). He describes the group as hailing from a Magh controlled territory near Pegu (capital of the Mon kingdom) and Arakan. Jahangir considered the Maghs unrestrained in their diet ("They eat everything there is either on land or in the sea, and nothing is forbidden by their religion") and their marital habits ("They marry their sisters by another mother"). He described their language as "that of Tibet," and their religion as neither Muslim nor Hindu.

The Arakanese Magh governors ruled part of Bengal by residing in that city as the capital of the colonial region of Arakan. The Arakanese king also appointed Bohmong Chiefs to rule in the Chittagong Hill Tracts (CHT) in Bohmong Htaung. The Chakma (Thaik people) region of CHT and the kingdom of Tripura were also part of Arakan at that time. Those people living in CHT, especially in Bandarban were still ruled by Bohmong Chief until now since Arakan's rule of Bengal. The Arakanese who have been living in CHT, Bengal, since the ascent of Arakanese kingdom in the 16th century were also known as the Marma people. Those Marmas are known as Mog to the people of Bengal as they are the Arakanese descendants. Arakanese people living in Hill Tripura state of India since that ancient time, are also called as Mog or Magh by the local people of Tripura State.

I have merged the remaining content into relevant places. -Hintha(t) 03:00, 4 March 2023 (UTC)