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Two things. I am suggesting changing the name of this article to Mayan Revival architecture and I removed this sentence.

Pan American Union Building by Paul Philippe Cret

We can argue but what style the building IS, but I know what it is NOT and that is Mayan of any sort. There might be some Mayan details somewhere, but I have not found them yet. Carptrash 20:30, 20 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

thanks for pointing out

the Mesoamerican details of the Pan American Union Building. As you say, Ingle does begin Chapter One, sorry, Chapter Two by stating that the Revival began here. I disagree with this statement on the grounds that what Cret did in this building and its gardens was not create a revival architectural style, rather he incorporated Mayan (the term used in the larger sense) details in a otherwise classical/Renaissance design. I feel that to claim that this building began the revival implies that what followed next came from it and I do not believe that this is the case. It was an isolated use of Mayan motifs chosen because it fit the purpose of the building. What followed, Mayan Revival, did not from from Cret's building. But that is just my (opinion) and I am comfortable leaving your addition to this article as you have writen it. I trust that you have checked WATCH on this article so you'll know about my next big push, the building in Niagara Falls. Carptrash 09:08, 15 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I pulled this out and moved it here

To my eye there is very little to suggest Mayan influence here. Perhaps suggesting what Mayan pyramid this is patterned on would help. Something at Tikal, perhaps? Mostly not I think. I'll see if I can find a better image to replace it with, and you try too. Carptrash (talk) 15:24, 17 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Let the games begin

I am about to try and rework this article a bit, mostly to try and clarify the relationship between Mayan Revival architecture and Art Deco. Some of these edits will approach the heretical original research zone while others will appear to slop over into opinion. Let me begin by stating that I have no particular point-of-view to push, no favorite theory, mine or anyone else's that i wish to champion. My real hope is that these edits go unnoticed and unchallenged. However I was not wikipedia born yesterday. I do request that folks who know nothing about the subject not get too involved. I have a pretty extensive collection of books on art deco architecture that I am always happy to share/discuss with interested parties and have been reviewing them a lot recently. Beyer, for example ^[1] has over 30 different pages listed in the index for "Mayan and Aztec influences" while Crowe ^[2] has no index at all but I counted close to two dozen references to Mayan and Aztec while cruising through it. Enough said. My computer is located in the part of my home that has no heat so . . .... this being the heart of winter things can get a little sporadic but bear (bare?) with me and let us make this tiny corner of wikipedia something that we can all be proud of. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 04:49, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
PS I am also very inclined to yank the Frank Lloyd Wright synagog from something like 1952 outta here unless I hear why I should not.

References

^ Bayer, Patricia, Art Deco Architecture; Design, Decoration and Detail from the Twenties and Thirties, Thames & Hudson, NY 1992
^ Crowe, Michael F., Deco by the Bay: Art Deco Architecture in the San Francisco Bay Area, Viking Studio Books, NY, 1995

I find this claim

"Detroit, Michigan and Mérida, Mexico have the largest numbers of Mayan-revival buildings," to be one that I'd like to see discussed more. Especially the Detroit part. Any takers? Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 02:09, 9 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Prominent Examples

Numerous Spelling/Grammar Issues under "Prominent Examples" ... See quote below ... I might come back and edit this but otherwise it needs some significant work -- not sure if someone had an idea here that went wrong.

When the hotel project was first announced, the word Maya was unknown to the layman. The subject of Maya culture was only of archaeological importance, a, at that, concerned but a few exponents. As a word Aztec was fairly well known, I baptized the hotel with that name, although all the decorative motifs are Maya[5]

Although the buildings use of reinforced concrete to create the intricate designs on the exterior one opinionated observer wrote:

The bizarre Aztec forms may create the atmosphere desired, and will serve the legitimate publicity interests of the establishment, but it would be deplorable if an "Aztec Movement" set in and the style copyists were diverted from noble examples to the forms of a semi-barbaric people.[6]

Johnoh5464 (talk) 18:23, 2 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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I am removing this claim, again

"The largest numbers of Mayan-revival buildings are found in Detroit, Michigan and Mérida, Mexico but such architecture can also be found on a smaller scale in New York, Houston, Los Angeles, Acapulco, Mexico City, Cancún and Tokyo."

If someone really wants all that in the article they are going to have to reference it. I am particularly interested in the Toyko part. Carptrash (talk) 16:21, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I strongly suspect that when we (someone else) mentions Mayan Revival architecture in Mexico they are referring to what is pictured to the left, not a form of Art Deco architecture from the 1920s and 30s.  This sort of work has been produced recently as a tourist attraction or sales gimmic as opposed to the works we are writing about here which also might have been done for the same reasons, but it is different.  Does this make sense? Carptrash (talk) 18:25, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

And I see that Modern Mexican Maya Revival has started showing up and is being removed, as I believe that it should be. Carptrash (talk) 15:57, 25 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Recent Mexican examples

Should we consider adding modern Mexican examples of Maya revival architecture in this article? Recently a few things have been removed, one by me, because they do not fall into the 1920s & 1930s time frame. it seemed to be a Maya themed resort or something and was very close to being spam. I am now looking at the picture of a fountain, or whatever, labeled "Kukulkanob public pavilion in Mérida, Mexico." and thinking that it is probably not from the pre-1940 era, so does it belong here? Then I notice that the article has a section "Mayan Revivalism in the Art Deco period", suggesting, perhaps, that there is Mayan Revival from some other period. Or periods. Like perhaps the 1960s until today? Of which there is a lot to be found in Mexico (see the picture in the thread above). So, what should we do? Carptrash (talk) 16:31, 25 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Wrights Unity Temple?

Although it was designed circa 1905, which pre-dates the timeline established as ‘Mayan Revival architecture’ in this article, I feel this building was a pre-cursor to the movement, and would like to add some content to reflect that. Anyone disagree? Any suggestions on where to add it? I was thinking of just including it the lead-up section, and adding on pic. Frank042316 (talk) 11:36, 21 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Maya

This should be titled Maya Revival Architecture. As Mayan is a language. scholars only use the adjective form "Mayan" when they refer to the language(s) spoken by the Maya today and in the past, and use “Maya” when referring to people, places, and culture, without distinction between singular or plural. Rfergusjean (talk) 03:48, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Bayer, Patricia, Art Deco Architecture; Design, Decoration and Detail from the Twenties and Thirties, Thames & Hudson, NY 1992

[2] Crowe, Michael F., Deco by the Bay: Art Deco Architecture in the San Francisco Bay Area, Viking Studio Books, NY, 1995

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