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Merger proposal

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To not merge, given the consensus that these are distinct topics worthy of separate discussion. Klbrain (talk) 09:11, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I propose merging Refugees as weapons into Migration diplomacy. These articles are a kind of WP:POVFORK of one another, covering the same topic from slightly different angles. The sub-section here for coercive migration diplomacy can and should be expanded with content from refugees as weapons. However, that article is so issue-ridden that WP:TNT applies - the simplest solution is to blow it up, merge the content worth keeping to this article, and establish that article as a redirect. Ganesha811 (talk) 13:40, 13 November 2021 (TC)

Comment: courtesy pings @BlueMadrigal: @John M Wolfson: @Cyfraw: @Buidhe: @WereSpielChequers: @Bookish57: @Nebnezzar: @Rosguill: @Bearcat: Ganesha811 (talk) 13:47, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support agree that this is a POVFORK situation and not seeing much to save from the other article. Unlike the other article, this one is under a neutral title. (t · c) buidhe 16:23, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on WP:SUBPOV grounds. We could make it slightly more explicit, but it's already obvious that the Refugees as weapons article is simply: DJT's perspective on Migration diplomacy. Given the inherent notability of the such views themselves there's no justification for removing that article. This is the signature issue of a very powerful political movement; Wikipedia should cover it. These views should be described and discussed, but not in a serious article about real Migration diplomacy. WP:SUBPOV is unambiguous: this isn't a POV fork. It's really a (potentially constructive) separation of an article about the thing itself from an (equally important) article about the representation and interpretation of this subject through the "weaponized refugee" lens. Especially because that (politically potent) perspective is disinterested in fact, it should be much easier to cover it via an entirely separate article (than to inter-mingle it with the real-world & fact-based article on the Migration diplomacy page). Pulling this off cleanly is complicated by the problem that: many Refugees as weapons contributors will see that article as an article about a real thing, rather than an article about an attitude about a real thing. But Refugees as weapons deserve at least as much coverage as any other mass delusion. Anyway, it's not a simple WP:POVFORK, so the proposal in its current form should be opposed. Finally, WP:TNT doesn't fit too well with a merger proposal. If we don't want an article on this (Mariel boatlift) worldview, then we should propose its deletion. --Wragge (talk) 05:21, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose It seems to me that "Coercive migration diplomacy" or "refuge as weapons" is a more aggressive approach to "migration diplomacy", meaning that a country uses it to make political or economical gains. It is perfectly acceptable for such a topic to be a subheading in this article, however, considering the main article has already exceeded 35k bytes, I think it deserves a separate article of its own. Best regards. --John the Janitor (talk) 12:52, 29 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per the points made by Wragge and John the Janitor. Khirurg (talk) 16:56, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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