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Some mention of EMS should be given in this article about mind control techniques https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7vOgHqE_P4 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 19:34, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
External references about the 2007 poll
The external link http://www.religionnewsblog.com/maintenance.php (about the 2007 poll) is not working at the moment (web site is in maintenance) . But I've found http://www.pewforum.org/2007/09/26/public-expresses-mixed-views-of-islam-mormonism/ , and also http://www.pewforum.org/2012/01/12/mormons-in-america-mormon-moment/ about a newer 2011 poll. --184.108.40.206 (talk) 14:37, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
Recent revert of dictionary ref edits and self-identifying numbers
Since this topic can get heated fast, let me quickly give a more detailed explanation than what could fit in the the edit summary. My reading of the Pew survey puts the number of Mormons who self-identify as Christian much higher than 66%. Specifically in the cited source, sixth paragraph: "Mormons are nearly unanimous in describing Mormonism as a Christian religion, with 97% expressing this point of view." Maybe the other editor is looking at something else and I'm missing where the 1-in-3 not self-identifying as Christian shows up.
As for the dictionary definitions, they are notoriously difficult because they're designed to be short so the effective bandwidth is severely limited. The second and third sources (sorry, got the order wrong in the edit summary - the dictionary.com and oxford dictionary sources) use wording that IMO is less restrictive of how they define Christianity. Specifically, dictionary.com states "the Christian religion, including the Catholic, Protestant, and Eastern Orthodox churches." and the oxford dictionary states "Christianity is ... mainly divided between the Roman Catholic, Protestant, and Eastern Orthodox Churches" (emphasis mine in both quotes). The emphasized phrasing I read to mean that the following list not exhaustive and leaves the definition open to Christian groups that don't fit nicely into that categorization. The Merriam Webster definition is less vague, not totally definitive IMO, but less vague. However, if you look at its entry for Mormon it states "a member of a Christian church that was founded by Joseph Smith...", which contradicts the strict interpretation of its Christianity entry. --FyzixFighter (talk) 04:07, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
As for the McConkie reference, I cringe somewhat when when use his book to make generalized statement on LDS theology and belief. I feel that the edit has OR, POV, and UNDUE issues. It is a single LDS apostle making a statement in a book that the LDS Church never endorsed in the first place. It's also not a view that is unique to the LDS Church - many Protestant churches have taught the same thing about the Catholic Church. IMO the edit just doesn't fit at that location in a summary style subsection. Any third opinions out there? --FyzixFighter (talk) 14:15, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
"Gold verses Golden"
This has been addressed in the past, but in defence of the church my edits long ago were reverted. The current type says "The faith drew its first converts while Smith was dictating the text of the Book of Mormon from golden plates"
The problem is that the church says differently "Gold Plates Plates made of gold upon which the ancient American prophet Mormon abridged the record of his people" LDS.org
- The underlying issue is that the Wikipedia article is at Golden plates. Gold plates redirects to that article. So if the terminology is to be changed on Wikipedia, the issue would need to be raised at Talk:Golden plates. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:43, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
- (Posting at virtually same time as Good Ol’factory).... The linked article (Golden plates), notes that they are also known as the gold plates. It's not entirely relevant and certainly not presumptuous, to state things differently. Just because a "content owner" may address things in a certain way, doesn't mean it's required in the WP world. Also, for what it's worth, the church has a song that says "the golden plates lay hidden....". There are a number of ways to refer to the plates. ChristensenMJ (talk) 02:44, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
- That's a good point. To me, "golden" is perhaps more accurate, given that—as many have pointed out—it was very unlikely that they were composed of 100% 24K gold. To me, "golden" suggests an overall color or appearance, whereas "gold" suggests what the actual content was. But anyway, from what I can see, Mormon and non-Mormon sources use both pretty much interchangeably. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:06, 31 May 2016 (UTC)