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"Mormons are NOT Christians"[edit]

Mormans believe that the Book of Morman (written by a MAN) is on the same level as the Bible (written by GOD), whereas Christians believe the Bible is on its own pedastool, alone in power. Therefore, since these two beliefs contradict, Mormans are, in fact, NOT Christians. Unlike the Part of a Series on Christianity, I do intend for this to be a debate on Are Mormons Christians?" <ref>The Holy Bible by God</ref> <ref>The Book of Morman by SRD (Some Random Dude)</ref> — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.94.252.244 (talkcontribs)

This issue has been discussed a number of times in the past. The problem is that there are a variety of definitions of what constitutes a "Christian". Mormons adopt a definition of it that is different than the one that is adopted by some Christians. So, in matters of religion, the consensus has been that it's best to generally conform to (1) the classification system used by academics, and (2) the self-identification of the adherents themselves. Using both (1) and (2), Mormons can be classified as Christians: Academics generally place Mormonism within the Restoration movement of Christianity, and Mormons clearly self-identify as Christians. (If you are interested, the issue is discussed in the WP article Mormonism and Christianity.) Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:35, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
And just for clarification, Mormons believe both the Bible and the Book of Mormon to be written by man under the inspiration of God.([1], [2]) For example, Mormons believe the Epistle of Paul to the Romans to actually be written by Paul through the inspiration of God, and not by the hand of God himself.([3]) This seems to be inline with Wikipedia's article as well. Dromidaon (talk) 18:13, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
If your intent is to debate if Mormons are Christians, you're in the wrong place. Wikipedia is not a soapbox, nor is it a forum for unregulated free speech. Our purpose is to build an encyclopedia, not to be a debating society. Additionally if you think you have anything new to add to the actual text of related articles, I'd suggest that you first look over the exhaustive discussions at Talk:Mormonism and Christianity (with 22 talk page archives, we need an archive index just to keep track of it all), as this has been talked to death. -- 208.81.184.4 (talk) 20:12, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
You may also wish to read up on the development of the Christian biblical canon (including the development of the Old Testament canon, the development of the New Testament canon, authorship of the Bible, biblical inspiration/verbal dictation, Christian biblical canons/Bible version debate, etc...), as the wording of your comments doesn't display any real grasp on the actual history of the collection of individual texts currently found in the biblical canon; the word "Bible" literally means "the books", as in plural - it is not a singular work with a single author. -- 208.81.184.4 (talk) 20:39, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are Christians, FYI, Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 20:53, 11 March 2014 (UTC) Thanks for noticing.

Actually, no, Mormons are not Christian. They are Mormons. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:30A:C021:1B50:75C3:C982:2DCB:346B (talk) 06:42, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
This debate doesn't need to continue here. Nothing productive is coming from a back-and-of forth "is/is-not" discussion. It's obvious that Mormons self-identify as Christians and also that many Christians reject this use of the term in reference to Mormons. But no good toward building the encyclopedia comes from debating the foundational issue for which there is no easy resolution. Good Ol’factory (talk) 06:50, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
I don't think Mormonism should be in the Christianity category. No Christian church other than Mormonism considers Mormons Christians. Its not only nutcases like Bill Keller who say Mormonism is not Christian, Pope Benedict XVI has said that, so did my friend Tim Callow, who is currently a Methodist pastor. Sigmund Freud used to be included in the psychologist and psychiatrist categories because people call him that, but Polisher of Cobwebs pointed out this was factually wrong, putting Mormonism in the Christianity category is a similar fallacy. It would be like changing the definition of giraffe to include elephants. Mormonism is more different from Christianity than Judaism and Islam are. Judaism, Islam, and Christianity worship one God, and believe God has eternally been God, and that God is the creator of all things. They believe that God created man, God does not beget man, and man is not of the same species as God. Mormonism is the most polytheistic religion in the world, believes that man is of the same species as god, and believes that humans can become gods. They also believe God was once not god but man. So it would be more accurate to consider Judaism and Islam forms of Christianity than to consider Mormonism a form of Christianity.--PaulBustion88 (talk) 04:54, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
I think my previous comment could just be reposted here. Continuing this debate is pointless for purposes of improving this article. Good Ol’factory (talk) 05:24, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

April conference (world annual broadcast)[edit]

For editing purposes (especially for statistics and social issues) you may be interested to know that I am keeping brief notes and putting them on my personal TALK page: User_talk:Charles_Edwin_Shipp#LDS_April_Conference.2C_world_broadcast.2C_April_4-5.2C_2015_.28Sat.2FSun.2C_10am.2F2pm_MT.29 -- Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 02:34, 5 April 2015 (UTC) -- PS: I'll add official references later.


Mormonism link to US millitary[edit]

Some mention of EMS should be given in this article about mind control techniques https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7vOgHqE_P4 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.49.157.227 (talk) 19:34, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

External references about the 2007 poll[edit]

The external link http://www.religionnewsblog.com/maintenance.php (about the 2007 poll) is not working at the moment (web site is in maintenance) . But I've found http://www.pewforum.org/2007/09/26/public-expresses-mixed-views-of-islam-mormonism/ , and also http://www.pewforum.org/2012/01/12/mormons-in-america-mormon-moment/ about a newer 2011 poll. --5.170.60.170 (talk) 14:37, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Recent revert of dictionary ref edits and self-identifying numbers[edit]

Since this topic can get heated fast, let me quickly give a more detailed explanation than what could fit in the the edit summary. My reading of the Pew survey puts the number of Mormons who self-identify as Christian much higher than 66%. Specifically in the cited source, sixth paragraph: "Mormons are nearly unanimous in describing Mormonism as a Christian religion, with 97% expressing this point of view." Maybe the other editor is looking at something else and I'm missing where the 1-in-3 not self-identifying as Christian shows up.

As for the dictionary definitions, they are notoriously difficult because they're designed to be short so the effective bandwidth is severely limited. The second and third sources (sorry, got the order wrong in the edit summary - the dictionary.com and oxford dictionary sources) use wording that IMO is less restrictive of how they define Christianity. Specifically, dictionary.com states "the Christian religion, including the Catholic, Protestant, and Eastern Orthodox churches." and the oxford dictionary states "Christianity is ... mainly divided between the Roman Catholic, Protestant, and Eastern Orthodox Churches" (emphasis mine in both quotes). The emphasized phrasing I read to mean that the following list not exhaustive and leaves the definition open to Christian groups that don't fit nicely into that categorization. The Merriam Webster definition is less vague, not totally definitive IMO, but less vague. However, if you look at its entry for Mormon it states "a member of a Christian church that was founded by Joseph Smith...", which contradicts the strict interpretation of its Christianity entry. --FyzixFighter (talk) 04:07, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

@Trinacrialucente: So much for WP:BRD I guess? --FyzixFighter (talk) 04:14, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

As for the McConkie reference, I cringe somewhat when when use his book to make generalized statement on LDS theology and belief. I feel that the edit has OR, POV, and UNDUE issues. It is a single LDS apostle making a statement in a book that the LDS Church never endorsed in the first place. It's also not a view that is unique to the LDS Church - many Protestant churches have taught the same thing about the Catholic Church. IMO the edit just doesn't fit at that location in a summary style subsection. Any third opinions out there? --FyzixFighter (talk) 14:15, 6 February 2016 (UTC)