Talk:Nesuh Bey

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Controversial move

I am against the new name of this article. There are no English sources which support Himmetizade version. All sources on this person are either on Turkish or on Serbian language. Per Wikipedia:Article titles policy: If there are too few reliable English-language sources to constitute an established usage, follow the conventions of the language appropriate to the subject (German for German politicians, Portuguese for Brazilian towns, and so on). In this case it is Turkish. In this section is explained the meaning of the patronymic suffix -zade. --Antidiskriminator (talk) 19:27, 27 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"Bey" is a title not a name or a surname. We don't use translations of titles in articles like "X, Duke of Y" regardless of the sources.--— ZjarriRrethues — ^talk 16:26, 28 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

My comment referred to -Zade. Not to bey/beg.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 21:28, 28 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Incorrectly attributed?

There is a big confusion about early Ottoman Bosnia, partly because some authors (mis)identified sanjak of Bosnia with Bosnian borderland (Bosansko Krajište). It is therefore important to be very cautious with sources.

There are numerous sources about Nesuh being one of the first lords of Ottoman Bosnia province:

Prilozi. Institut za istoriju. 2003. p. 283. Prvi bosanski sandžakbeg Ishak-beg, Nesuh-beg drugi, Isa-beg treći.
Munib Maglajlić (1998). Bošnjačka književnost u književnoj kritici: Usmena književnost. Alef. p. 693. Prvi, ili po nekim predajama drugi bosanski namjesnik bio je neki Nesuh-beg, koji je također osnovao sada već nepostojeću džamiju u blizini Latinske ćuprije
numerous sources which repeat Muvekit story about Nesuh Bey

There are some sources (like one written by Esma Smailbegović which is used in the article) which explain that Nesuh was in fact Mehmed-beg Minetović. This is supported by this source (Mehmed Mujezinović (1974). Islamska epigrafika u Bosni i Hercegovini: Sarajevo. Veselin Masleša. p. 65. Biće da je upravo zato nastala ona zabuna da je Meh- med-begov mesdžid podigao Nesuh-beg. To je prvi utvrdio Muvekit, a i S. Kemura je obrađuje kao Nesuh-begovu džamiju.) which explains that Muvekit misidentifies Nesuh who lived in 1541 with Mehmed-beg who lived a century earlier. I think that it is better to leave both positions in the article, carefully attributed.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 20:28, 20 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]