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The result of the debate was No Consensus. —Wknight94 (talk) 01:00, 5 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

Northwestern → Northwestern (disambiguation) – {Rationale: So that a search for "Northwestern" is redirected to Northwestern University but the disambiguations of the term “Northwestern” will still exist and will be accessible through a dablink at the top of Northwestern University. Do a Wiki search for Stanford as an example. Robms927} copied from the entry on the WP:RM page

Additional Thoughts: Re "Northwestern," I do think it would be a good change to redirect Northwestern to Northwestern University, and then place a disambiguation page link (via dablink) on the "Northwestern University" page so redirected users can still find disambiguation. The dablink on the university page might read, " 'Northwestern' redirects here. Please click Northwestern (disambiguation) for other uses." I personally can not think of an instance in which something on the current disambig page would be commonly searched for just with "Northwestern." But if that is the case, the disambig page at "Northwestern University" would easily allow people to find what they want. I think this format works very well with Stanford University, which has more than 20 disambig entries but still redirects a "Stanford" search to "Stanford University." Also, if you look at the "Northwestern" disambig entries, most are very underdeveloped pages, such as "Northwestern Corporation," which is literally two sentences about a bulk vending machine company. So I thought that it would be more efficient to redirect people who enter "Northwestern" into a Wiki search to "Northwestern University," since I truly believe a majority of the people who simply type in that search will be looking for the university (as evidenced by a Google page rank results for "Northwestern," and the proliferation of other Northwestern-related Wiki entries). I think this is a very good change, and would be happy to hear your thoughts. Thanks. Robms927 18:24, 28 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Oppose. There are 4 schools that have Northwestern in their name. Add to that the other uses and we can not be sure that making this change would not violate guidelines and redirect too many users to the wrong page. I think a strong case needs to be made to move a dab page and that case does not seem likely in this case. Vegaswikian 20:17, 28 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Northwestern University is, by far, the best known 'Northwestern' to the general populace--internationally and in the US. Searches for Stanford and Cornell both redirect to pages regarding the famous research universities--not, for example, Cornell College in Iowa, or one of the 15 or so other entires for 'Cornell'. Northwestern deserves this same treatment. LuMas 15:40, 29 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Northwestern isn't a common word like Brown, or Duke, which obviously require disambig pages. Frankly, none of the other meanings of Northwestern are well-known. Just as MIT redirects to the university's page rather than a long disambig, so should Northwestern. 24.2.244.245 18:32, 29 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, as per Vegaswikian. – Axman (☏) 09:43, 30 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Northwestern is leading US academic institution, and I do not believe that a majority, or even a substantive minority of wiki-users would be mistakenly redirected. 'Northwestern' is commonly known as the research university in Evanston, IL. I strongly endorse this change.Jkw423 00:53, 31 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Support. The name Northwestern evokes a leading US research university for the great majority of wiki-users around the world. It is not to say other Northwesterns are relegated to the dark reaches of wikidom; for the small online minority seeking these obscure pages, their entries would be preserved through a disambig link. I strongly endorse this change for sake of clarity and common sense.Redean 16:56, 31 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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No further move discussion?

I also support the move, although it looks like I may have chimed in too late. I'm biased, as I'm an NU student and from the Chicago area, so I'm most familiar with 'Northwestern' as 'Northwestern University.' That said, people I know from outside the Chicago area associate 'Northwestern' with the Evanston/Chicago-based university as well. Dunno to what extent 'no consensus' opinion from the discussion is binding. --Trillian1138 02:28, 5 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Chatted with some helpful folks on IRC who gave me a better idea of how consenus issues are handled --Trillian1138 03:08, 5 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I count 5 supports to two oppositions. Would you like to explain to me how consensus works? Thor Rudebeck 10:21, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, I think that Northwestern should redirect to Northwestern University. Can we try it again or not? Wikipediarul e s 2221 19:44, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I second that, Northeastern goes to Northeastern University, and I think that this should be the same. Banpei 05:02, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 2

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was no consensus to move this dab page to the page occupied by the university (per the request), which has no bearing on whether this should be a primary topic redirect - that was insufficiently discussed here. Dekimasu よ! 00:34, 13 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Northwestern → Northwestern University — Most people who type in "Northwestern" are searching for Northwestern University as it is far more known than anything else on the list. I think that there should be a disambig link at the top of the page for those who are not searching for the University —Wikipediarul e s 2221 20:02, 3 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Oppose. I believe the current disambiguation page is proper. Northwestern University is the first entry, so the most commonly desired result can still be found quite quickly. -- Satori Son 05:55, 12 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Errm, Do you perhaps have the requested move backwards? Why would you want to move the current disambiguation page at Northwestern to Northwestern University? Are you perhaps suggesting that the disambiguation page should be moved to Northwestern (disambiguation) and that Northwestern should be a redirect to the University? That is a somewhat different request. older ≠ wiser 01:55, 4 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think the consensus is that "Northwestern" should be redirected to Northwestern University. As for the current list populating the page it probably does not matter and a Northwestern (disambiguation) page would suffice. As for my comment, I'm not sure most people searching for Northwestern are looking for the college.There're simply to many items on the current page that are called northwestern, furthermore northwestern is an ordinal direction, so in the case of Northeastern University Northeastern redirects to Northeast, were there is also an disambiguation list. thank you/ Astuishin (talk) 23:03, 9 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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