Talk:Nova Scotia Highway 111
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- You can NOT rely on Maps to provide correct information regarding routing etc. This data is often wrong, especially for Nova Scotia which isn't important enough for the mapping firms to take the effort to create maps with totally accurate information. Hell, I've seen maps showing Magazine Hill as part of Highway 101, which it certainly is not.
- The MacKay bridge is NOT *officially* part of Highway 111, as it's owned by the Halifax-Dartmouth Bridge Commission, and not the Department of Transportation, and is not signed with Highway 111 route markers, but UNofficially it can be considered part of the 111 and for all intents and purposes it is... but we may as well do the article based on FACTS, and not what we personally think it should be. Hopefully the new update to the page will clarify the routing :)
- Also updated info on the connection between 111 and 102 to be more clear.
- You also can't rely on someone at NS-DOT to causually tell you information, as they're often wrong themselves. The person responding to the e-mail isn't going to go anbd look up record and original plans etc etc... they're going to give info off the top of your head, and they're human just like anyone else and are often wrong. Just look at the horrible signage in NS to see how incompetent they are. ugh.. what a mess our highway system is in.
where is this road 12 lanes? mylesmalley 03:05, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
- It's 12 lanes for about 40 metres. Near the old Micmac rotary site. Ouuplas 16:10, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
Added corrected exits and extended to include Mackay Bridge which officially part of Highway 111
The 111 does extent into Halifax the route directional signs indicate it at the intersection of Bayers Road and Connaught Ave . --Vic 22:39, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
- Those are "TO 111" signs (only sometimes without the "TO"). It's not officially part of the route. Kirjtc2 22:42, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
It part of the route --Vic 23:31, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
- Not according to the Service Nova Scotia atlas, the official NS Tourism map, MapArt and Rand McNally. One straggling sign (and again, Nova Scotia's known to sign routes off their official routing like that) means nothing. Kirjtc2 23:39, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
Sorry I wrote to the Dept. of Transportation and they say its true that Highway 111 goes into Halifax --Vic 04:41, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
- I'd love to see the actual e-mail. Every GOVERNMENT source I have seen proves you wrong. Kirjtc2 11:31, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
I just was on Connaught Ave and there is signs indicating its part of the 111 just what like the article said --Pat 20:05, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
Stop deleting Halifax Portion it DOES run through Halifax to Bayers Road
- Again, one sign on Connaught Avenue proves nothing. Those signs are there to help people get to the 111, not because it's part of the highway. And if you believe otherwise, I still want to see that letter you supposedly got from the DOT, because all my government info says just the opposite. There are 101 and 103 signs on Bayers Road too, does that mean it's part of those routes too? Kirjtc2 20:58, 23 June 2006 (UTC) There are atleast 5 signs and Connaught Avenue is a provincial road as well
- I would add something like this: "Although official government sources and various maps show the highway ending at XXX, route signs indicate that a portion of Highway 111 extends through the former city of Halifax . At the base of the A. Murray MacKay Bridge the route continues on through Windsor Street down Connaught Ave. to Bayers Road where it connects to Nova Scotia Highway 102." --Usgnus 21:14, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
- Uhh...the onus is on you to verify what you have, despite being proven wrong time and time again. Kirjtc2 21:31, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
Kirjtc2 you do not even live here so do not tell us whos wrong because you do not know what your talking about--Pat 22:33, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
- Then why did Dezzo, who DOES live in the area, make the exact same edits? You are plain and simply trolling. You're lucky I haven't called for admin action yet. Kirjtc2 00:53, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
- Wow, this is a really contentious issue. I admit I always felt that the penninsular streets were part of Highways 102 and 111, and even 118, as the provincial highway map used to show streets like Connaught, Bell, North, Barrington, etc.. in blue, indicating an uncontrolled-access portion of the roads. Of course, the map didn't say which road was which, and in a few places (like at the corner of Bell and Sackville, IIRC) the roads split, so you couldn't tell what went where. At any rate, at least for the 102 and 118 it's now pretty clear where the highways end because you can just look at the kilometre posts. (And the government map can't be relied on, as it is now one of the worst maps, especially since they went digital (remember Pictou going missing?).) I don't think the 111 has kilometre posts yet, but if and when they go up it will help kill the ambiguity. Someone can even go and take a picture of km 0, with caption, "km 0, where the 111 ends." Blue william 08:29, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
I tried to figure out the north end with the NSDOT and Halifax websites, and could not find anything official. The closest I could find was the Halifax database of who maintains what streets, but can numbered highways use locally maintained streets in Nova Scotia? The few provincial sources I could find are as follows:
- : shows 111 on the bridge, and apparently sharing a terminus with 2 at the southwest end of the bridge.
- : shows the north end at 322; is that where bridge maintenance begins?
-  may be the best; it's a list of roads that all trucks can use, including presumably all 100-series highways.
We may need to think about exactly what it means to "officially" be part of a highway, if it's not provincial maintenance. --NE2 02:37, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
- Section 27 of the public highways act says that it is possible for a public highway to be constructed and/or maintained within the boundaries of a city or town, or (by section 2 paragraph aa) lands that were formerly part of a city or town prior to amalgamation into a regional municipality. Furthermore, it is possible for a city or town to contribute to the cost of constructing or maintaining such public highways. There is no formula given in the act, so it follows that the city or town could adopt 100% of the cost of maintenance, without the road losing its status as a public highway.
- None of this can be used to confirm (or deny) the question of whether the roads in question are (or ever were) actually designated as "part" of the numbered Highway 111. But it certainly leaves the possibility open. Basically, if the Minister of Transportation considers any road to be strategically important, he or she may designate it as a public highway, and then off-load some or all of the cost of maintenance to the municipality.Goosnarrggh (talk) 01:39, 17 July 2009 (UTC)