Talk:Olin R. Moyle

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Opinion

If this article does not contain anthing at all, I think it shold be deleted until something more happenes. Summer Song 13:59, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, but it disappoints me greatly. joshbuddy^talk 14:06, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"got into a personal spat with Judge Rutherford over Rutherford's heavy drinking and cursing." This needs to be changed to reflect the fact this was Olin's accusation/opinion and not fact.--24.39.49.196 (talk) 18:32, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The article also contains purportedly quoted text ("like this") which doesn't seem part of a readily apparent cited reference. Is that intended to question the idea (as in, 'the "king" of the hill'), or did the originating editor simply misstate his citation or punctuate incorrectly? --AuthorityTam (talk) 14:30, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The only instance that matched your description was the quotation marks around "Bethel" (though I'm not sure why you couldn't have just said so.) I suppose the quotes were used to offset the special term, which I have reworded.--Jeffro77 (talk) 22:50, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't seem wrong to put "Bethel" (as a JW branch) within quotes, especially for the term's first instance in a section. The term isn't so peacock-ish that it's likely to be the target of cynicism.
My earlier comment addressed the fact that the phrase "unkind treatment of the staff, outbursts of anger, discrimination and vulgar language" was (at the time) within quotation marks, seemingly without merit. Those quotation marks have recently been removed diff.
Incidentally, Moyle did NOT "cite Beth Sarim" in his open letter of resignation. I'll correct that soon if the mistake is still in the article. --AuthorityTam (talk) 00:52, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Parts of the article seem carelessly written with little reliance on cited sources. I can help fix that. LTSally (talk) 01:09, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There's no need for Bethel to be in quotes. I removed the quotes from the other sentence when I realized it was not properly sourced. It would have been better if I didn't have to guess what you were talking about.--Jeffro77 (talk) 02:09, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Former

I see that this article includes a tag for Category:Former Jehovah's Witnesses. What references are there for that? Even if Moyle was disfellowshipped, did he choose a different religion?

Moyle's letter seems to specifically NOT intended to communicate a lack of faith in JW religion, but only a lack of faith in a certain personality. The letter from Moyle and wife even says,

"We are not leaving the Lord’s service but will continue to serve Him and His organization as fully as strength and means will allow. Neither am I running away from battling the Devil’s crowd in the courts. I expect to return to the private practice of law, probably in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, and hope to be in the fight in every way possible. With this letter I am enclosing a statement of the major cases now pending in which I am actively participating. It would be unreasonable and unfair to drop these matters into your lap without further assistance or consideration. I am ready and willing to press these issues in the courts just as vigorously and carefully as though I remained at Bethel, and will do so if that is your desire."

Not arguing, just curious and interested in better references on this specific issue. --AuthorityTam (talk) 00:58, 4 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I was somewhat surprised to find several unusable web references claiming Moyle had become Jewish! Of course, without a usable reference, the article cannot say he converted to Judaism; however, I did include that the Encyclopedia of American Religions called Moyle one the "leaders" of "United Israel World Union", which the encyclopedia described as "a vigorous missionary program to convert people, particularly Christians, to Judaism". --AuthorityTam (talk) 16:36, 16 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Moyle... Judaism... snicker.--Jeffro77 (talk) 03:18, 17 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Importance scale

I disagree with the ranking of this article as high importance. It's pretty inconsequential in the broad scale of things. Moyle was a skilled lawyer for the society, spoke his mind about the conduct of the president, offered his resignation, was fired and vilified, sued to defend his name and won. LTSally (talk) 01:13, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Agree.--Jeffro77 (talk) 02:09, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resignation letter

I have reworded the paragraph dealing with Moyle's resignation letter. The letter was sent as a protest; the paragraph now summarises his complaints, removes unnecessary capitalisation and also removes the sentence that simply repeats much of what was written above. BlackCab (talk) 23:18, 23 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Open Letter

The article currently says: “Moyle wrote an open letter”. The letter was not originally an open letter as far as I can tell from the court transcripts. It was deposited at the desk of the person responsible for the mail on July 21, 1939 and was addressed to Rutherford. He made it public himself by reading it to the Board of Directors on August 8 and later to the entire Bethel “family”. Statements from board members confirm that they did not know the contents beforehand. Later in the fall of 1940, Moyle himself circulated copies of the letter. --94.31.102.68 (talk) 07:39, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]