Talk:Open-mid front rounded vowel

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Is RP/australian 'fern' and 'burn' the vowel œ? It's certainly close to ö in german.

Close, the vowel in 'fern' is [ɜ], which is very similar to [œ], but central rather than front, and unrounded rather than rounded. Nohat 05:25, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

In The Phonology of Norwegian by Gjert Kristoffersen the word løse is transcribed as ['lø:sə], and as far as I know it would rhyme with høne since I'm not aware of any lowering of /ø:/ before /n/. Could someone who actually speaks (Eastern) Norwegian confirm whether the vowels in these two words are different or not?

Also, as far as I can tell from Sprog & lyd: Elementær dansk fonetik by Steffen Heger, the Danish example is also an [ø]. Similar to most Swedish dialects, [œ] seems to be an allophone of /ø:/ that is occurs before /r/.

Peter Isotalo 22:10, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

I speak with a dialect that I believe is close to the "standard" Norwegian bokmål dialect, and I pronounce the ø in løse and the ø in høne exactly the same. --Quadduc 22:00, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
Why exactly do [ø] and [œ] seem to sound like American English r. They are articulated in two totally different ways. "R" is a rhotacized schwa, whereas the other two are rounded front vowels. Linguofreak 21:32, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Dutch deur[edit]

The example from Dutch 'deur' sounds like ø to me, not œ.



I just removed it. I think the sound sample of 'œ' on the page is wrong. It sounds like 'ø'.

Babelut 16:49, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Sound Sample[edit]

It blatantly wrong. It is an 'ø'. The sound sample given for ø is a better realization of œ though it isn't very good either.Berndf (talk) 22:27, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

I just noticed the same thing. The sound samples for /ø/ ("close-mid front rounded vowel") and /œ/ ("open-mid front rounded vowel") seem to have been mixed. The sound sample for /ø/ sounds more like an /œ/ and the sound sample for /œ/ sounds like an /ø/, at least in the sense that the former is more open than the latter. At least one person has reported the same thing on the talk page of the close-mid front rounded vowel's article. 66.131.78.52 (talk) 04:50, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Mandarin Chinese[edit]

Should the row with Mandarin Chinese have been removed? I didn't see its removal noted in the history, and it's still listed with this vowel on the Chinese version of the page and on other websites. And just intuitively, as a native speaker, it seems to me like yue is pronounced with this vowel. Just asking in case anyone's listening. Airrodanthefirst (talk) 07:22, 24 March 2016 (UTC)