Talk:Orange County, New York

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I have the utmost respect for Wikipedia and what you are trying to accomplish. I have donated in the past. I grew up in orange county and love to research the history of it. I was stunned when I read on this page of "Famous" people that Jay Westerveld is listed as famous for environmentalism and activism. Does anyone check facts? He has no education in this area and all he has ever done is send rambling letters to editors about made up facts and issues. Is this all it takes to get into Wikipedia? Letters to editors and rambling? Can someone explain this to me? as well as this page. Signed WVHS84 — Preceding unsigned comment added by WVHS84 (talkcontribs) 20:52, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

This is more an issue for Talk:Jay Westerveld rather than this one. This page just lists people in other articles. Kafziel Complaint Department: Please take a number 21:49, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

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  • Why are we putting every hamlet on the county page? Isn't the town page good enough? Stepp-Wulf 02:05, 21 July 2006 (UTC).
    I'm afraid I don't understand what you mean. The list at the bottom of the article is designed to list all cities, villages, towns, and they are all part of Orange County. If you could specify more your objection, maybe that would help. Newnam(talk) 02:14, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

No, The list says "cities and towns." It should probably say "Cities, towns, and villages," and maybe did so in the past until someone edited it. Hamlets can be placed in the town pages, unless they are such significant communities that they merit inclusion in the county list. Stepp-Wulf 02:01, 22 July 2006 (UTC).

I've changed the title of the section to Places which should allow for inclusion of all that is listed. It is my opinion that the hamlets and villages should be mentioned in the list, as there is no reasno here to not be all inclusive. Let me know what you think, Newnam(talk) 04:25, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
  • If you look at some of the big counties like Nassau and Suffolk, people have tried to do this, and the county articles get to be rather cumbersome (like half the article is list after list of communities). Orange County has lots of places, so, if you want to do this, you have a big task ahead of you, more so, if you try to make an article for each little pudunk place. Another concern is that there are many places across the state with the same name {"Wrights Corners" is really popular). In truth, most "hamlets" don't amount to much, maybe a few houses and a convenience store. Stepp-Wulf 03:21, 23 July 2006 (UTC).
    Ok, I took a look at Hamlet_(place)#New_York and you're right, hamlets shouldn't be in there...however, villages should, as they are there own incorporated place. Thanks for helping to clear it up, Newnam(talk) 06:18, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

William H. Seward[edit]

How could OC, New York be the "birthplace of William H. Seward in Florida"????? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by DellusMaximus (talkcontribs) 08:26, 10 December 2006 (UTC).

Florida, Orange County, New York. It's about 75 years older than the state. Kafziel Talk 08:49, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

How about George Washington? I haven't seen anything about him living in Orange County (he was from Virginia and OC was quite rural back then).Papercrab (talk) 02:46, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

He had his headquarters there during the Revolution. (Funny... almost three years since the last question and I'm still the one answering.) Kafziel Complaint Department 07:37, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps it would be more accurate to say that Washington was encamped or headquartered in OC during the Revolution, as I'm sure he never considered it as a "home" nor treated it as such. I doubt that Mount Vernon was ever on the market! With the War over and Presidential responsibilities in NYC finished, he beat feet. It's still a great association for the county and state, though! And what with the Purple Heart museum in OC and all (Washington's creation - the medal, not the museum). I read where NYS was going to close New Windsor Cantonment to save money, but I don't know if that really happened. RoseyGlow (talk) 20:11, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

OC history - subractions and additions[edit]

With the loss of the Rockland County area, OC gained the Newburgh area from Ulster County. I am foggy on the details, though, which is why I can here. This was significant to the county's history and should be discussed. RoseyGlow (talk) 20:14, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

And OC was pivotal in the history of the French and Indian Wars, colonial "manifest destiny" expansion, and the Revolution - that's why Washington came to be headquartered there. RoseyGlow (talk) 20:18, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Good suggestions. I'll see what I can dig up and add over the course of the next day or two. Thanks! Kafziel Complaint Department 21:19, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Does it make sense that the name "Orange county" was used in 1683 (before 1688)? I'm not well familiar with things, but it seems that other places named "Orange" are typically named after Willam III. Or was the county renamed later on? Or are county names from a slightly later preiod? Tzafrir (talk) 13:30, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Some places may be named for William III, but many are simply named for the Principality of Orange, or the House of Orange-Nassau in general. Naturally, as a Dutch colony, some of the parts of New Netherland would have been named after places in Europe. Kafziel Complaint Department: Please take a number 14:12, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for your reply. At the time this name was given, this was already part of the English New York. Was this area called Orange before? Tzafrir (talk) 11:45, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
Hard to say. It could be that the residents of the area had called it something like that for years before it became official. On the other hand, New York City became New Orange (which was named for William III) in 1672, so the northern county's name could be a holdover from that. But it might also just be traditional, a nod to the region's roots, like Nassau County 200 years later. I don't know. Not a lot of documentation to fully clarify the issue. Kafziel Complaint Department: Please take a number 13:18, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Orange County move request[edit]

You all might be interested to know that there has been a move request to make the link Orange County become a redirect to Orange County, California. The article Orange County is currently a disambiguation page for the seven United States counties and other things named "Orange County". It would be replaced by a page called "Orange County (disambiguation)" which would show links to all the other Orange Counties. If you want to join the discussion, you can find it here: Talk:Orange County#Orange County redirect. --MelanieN (talk) 03:20, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Points of Interest[edit]

I'm just a lowly observer, so I'm hesitant to make any changes myself, but I'd like to point out a mistake in the Points of Interest section. The Woodbury Common is most certainly not in Monroe, as its very name would suggest. It's in Woodbury, which is already listed on this page as being both its own town and village. Listing it as being in Monroe is quite inaccurate, as it is not even on the border of Monroe (or Harriman - which would not even matter because the closest part of Harriman is actually a part of Woodbury, not Monroe). Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:23, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Fun Facts Section[edit]

The fun facts section is unsourced. Further, it consititues trivia. In the spirit of WP:PRESERVE, I am boldly not removing it, although I think most of it is unencyclopedic. I would suggest that the author source the appropriate content and merge into the rest of the article. Yes, yes, I know... WP:SOFIXIT, but I don't have the time... Roodog2k (talk) 13:31, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

I've moved it and trimmed a bit, pending sources. Just from the style of the list, I'm inclined to think it might be a copyright violation—copied and pasted from a website or something—so I'll look into that. At least, for now, it's out of the way and at the bottom. Kafziel Complaint Department: Please take a number 13:58, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Noah Webster[edit]

I tried finding references to whether Noah Webster actually ever lived in Orange County. I find references that he founded a school, but no references regarding whether he lived there. It was my understanding that he was basically a live-long resident of Connecticut. Roodog2k (talk) 15:01, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

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Named in 1683 after the British royal house?[edit]

Right now the introduction reads a bit anachronistically: "Orange County was officially established on November 1, 1683, when the Province of New York was divided into twelve counties. Each of these was named to honor a member of the British royal family, and Orange County took its name from the Prince of Orange, who subsequently became King William III of England". Unfortunately, this Dutch Stadtholder would not become king of the UK until 1689. Either "Orange County" was named after a foreign noble family (to please the largely Dutch population?), in which case "Each of these was named to honor a member of the British royal family" is wrong, or the naming took place later. Afasmit (talk) 08:26, 25 October 2016 (UTC)