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I believe the orans were women not a prayer position.

The preceding sentence was written by someone not logged in, but I just put a note on another discussion page that bears on it. There are at present two articles: Orant and Orans. Orans mentions the posture, but is mostly about the figural depiction of the posture; Orant is mostly about the posture itself. I don't see why these can't be in the same article. But if they are two different articles, I would think that (for linguistic reasons) the present alignment is backwards. Orans, being the nominative form of a verb, should be about the posture and Orant, being even more nominalized, should be about the figural depiction. Any thoughts? theloavesandthevicious (talk) 17:38, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

I suggest Orans be merged into this article. Marshall46 (talk) 10:50, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
  • Support merge. Actually, I'd just redirect Orant here, because that article doesn't cite any sources at all, but explain the difference in usage here. The image at Orant should be transferred to Orans. I've tried a couple of search combinations, and it seems that Orans and Orant occur with more or less equal frequency, so my argument for Orans as the main article is based on the moment on the relative quality of the two articles. The search also indicated that there's substantial RS for development. Cynwolfe (talk) 13:37, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
I've gone ahead and merged the two articles. Ltwin (talk) 04:51, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Linkage correction required[edit]

please correct the Mass linkage under the History paragraph/section to from the incorrect redirect to the article about the scientific concept. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 16:06, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Soft Pentecostalism?[edit]

This term needs definition - I've not heard it before. Are we implying the "Hard Pentecostal" worship involves raising the hands high and "Soft Pentecostal" doesn't? Genuinely confused. Rob Burbidge (talk) 14:40, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

"Soft Pentecostalism" means that a group is influenced by Pentecostalism, but hasn't gone full Pentecostal. For example, the local Catholic Parish that plays Vineyard Music while parishioners raise their hands and sway to the music is evidencing "soft Pentecostalism". If it is genuinely confusing people we can replace it with "the influence of Pentecostalism . . ." Ltwin (talk) 11:45, 3 June 2014 (UTC)