Talk:Paolo Costa (politician)

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deprod, because it would be more appropriate to have a full discussion on whether members of the European parliament are notable.

This article does not have any notable distinction to it at all. The Google hits are minimum and upon research there is not much info to be found. I continue to feel the article should be marked for deletion. Could you please sign your posts, so I know to whom I am speaking with? Junebug52 17:57, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry I forgot about signing: I suggest that a member of the European Parliament is always notable, and said so on this page. If you disagree, the proper course is AfD. Contested prods go to AfD. Please follow the instructions on the tags for the proper sequence. Also, the prod tag does not go on article talk pages, so I have removed it as well. That information to is on the face of the tag. ~~Since its clear you do want to tag it for AfD, I will do it to help things along.~~ DGG 19:36, 10 January 2007 (UTC).[reply]

I note that it asserts in the article that he is a member of the European Parliament, Minister of the Interior in Italy, and pro-Rector of a University. This is surely assertion enough, and the tag should never have been placed.

On further consideration, I have decided not to place the AfD tag myself, because i filled in a little more information from the EU official site, and hope that Junebug52 will agree on notability. He is notable as a politican, and probably as an academic. He is obviously notable as a politician:

Minister for Public Works in Italy (not Minister of the Interior, my error above)
Mayor of Venice
Member of European Parliament
Chair of a committee in the European Parliament

Any one of these should be enough.

He was full Professor and then pro-Rector of an Italian university, a position that corresponds to University President in the US. He is probably notable as an academic, I haven't yet looked for information about published work, and it should be added for a complete article, but it isn't necessary to show notability for him since he is as a politician. He does meets criterion 10, a full professorship at a major university, but that's still a disputed criterion.

It is perhaps relevant that a prod nn is supposed to be used only for articles which do not assert notability, and the article asserted it. It does not have the word notability in the first sentence--but that is not the requirement. Procedure is also relevant. See above about replacing removed prod tags, and placing tags on article talk pages (they dont need to go there because if the article is deleted, so is the talk page)

As for ghits, there are a number of people by this name. Searching under "Paolo Costa" Italy I find 265,000, but many are of the musician, or the computer scientist or the scultptor by that name., and even what may be another politician, Italy's Permanent Representative to the UN in Geneva Searching with "Paolo Costa" italy parliament gives 924 ghits. Of the first 100, after removing directory listings, duplicates, translations, and WP-based items, 79 were about him, anout 2/3 about his EU activities, 1/3 Ital, particularly Venice. That = 730, quite a large number for an European politician. The article is obviously expandable and verifiable. (And I didnt even start looking for the academic papers yet.) I added the expand tag as a reminder to add the academic work and the details about the political wor DGG 21:16, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

DGG, I appreciate your passion for this article. I agree that there are hits for this subject, however, does it meet up to Wikipedia standards? I do not feel that in the current condition it meets those standards. I will refrain from tagging it for deletion with the hopes that you or some other editor can work on expanding it. I hope you all the best. Junebug52 00:13, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]