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Using the DSM 3?[edit]

From the way I read that portion, it sounds like the DSM III is up to date. It's not. Neither compulsive lying or pathological lying is in the most recent version (DSM V). If DSM III is mentioned, it should probably also be mentioned that pathological lying is not recognized by the most up to date version. (This is my first edit to a talk page, so if I messed something up I'm sorry) Micheladitmore (talk) 22:31, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Pathological lying as a name?[edit]

The article refers in several places to "pathological lying" as though it were the topic of the article, and indeed pathological liar redirects here, but this name is not listed among the bold topic names at the top of the article, and is used before it is ever explained. It appears that User:Mattisse removed it in this revision. The article should either mention it as a name, explain why it's not a valid name, or a new article should be created for pathological lying, if it's a distinct concept. I'm also confused by the introduction's treatment of it as a legal concept, whereas other parts of the article treat it as a psychological concept. Consistency is needed. Dcoetzee 08:43, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Fixed by undoing a revision that made a number of apparently unhelpful changes. 204.167.92.26 (talk) 20:28, 28 January 2009 (UTC)


 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tusk Bilasimo (talkcontribs) 23:38, 19 August 2016 (UTC) 

Reference citations all depend on Charles C. Dike[edit]

This is too much from a single source. There should be other authorities to cite besides Charles C. Dike. Regards, —mattisse (Talk) 19:44, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

A simplified example[edit]

Basically ,i think this article could do with some examples, since the behavior is quite aberrant compared to usual actions. So, I was thinking something like this imagined conversation:

"I was diagnosed as a pathological liar." "Really?" "No."

I think it shows just how drastically odd even simple matters can become with such conditions. But someone should probably come up with something that doesnt sound like the end of a bad joke; its the idea thats important. 74.132.249.206 (talk) 21:07, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Why the link to Faulty Towers?[edit]

Probably a dig.. 76.106.14.56 (talk) 19:33, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Fawtly Towser?[edit]

Perfect! Each episode is a story about a lie, and the lies to cover up the damage, in spite of the consequences. Brilliant example! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.43.43.66 (talk) 09:14, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

New Foster the People Single[edit]

There's a new single by Foster the People that came out today titled "Psuedologia Fantastica". Just figured I'd leave a note here if the traffic suddenly raises. --Nicereddy (talk) 05:03, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Requested move 22 June 2014[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was move per request as the common name--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 02:25, 6 July 2014 (UTC)


Pseudologia fantasticaPathological lying – Out of the 10 refs in the article, 8 refer to "pathological lying" and only 2 to "pseudologia fantastica" which is an exotic obscure phrase. --Relisted. Armbrust The Homunculus 21:36, 29 June 2014 (UTC)  – Penbat (talk) 20:50, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:08, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

compulsive lying vs pathological lying[edit]

In the first line of this article, pathological lying and compulsive lying are stated as one in the same. However there are many articles that seem to suggest the two are different e.g http://www.truthaboutdeception.com/lying-and-deception/confronting-a-partner/compulsive-lying/types-of-liars.html http://www.stuffyoushouldknow.com/podcasts/lying-liars-how-lying-works-liar/

Possibly some sites are incorrectly using the term or pathological lying is not a universal term. This article should really do more to address these inconstancies.

Pathological lying is not the only form of lying, links should be made in the other forms of lying. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.29.164.228 (talk) 14:39, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 November 2016[edit]

For lack of a better place to inquire, I am wondering whether any research will be done to find out what wikipedia member edited this page to associate a photo of Hillary Clinton. Obviously, this is not an edit request. Bkernan (talk) 00:01, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Not done @Bkernan: You explicitly stated that this isn't an edit request, and thus shouldn't have used the edit request template. I think that WikiBlame will tell you what you want. Pppery 00:10, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Sentence structure[edit]

Under the characteristics heading, could this sentence be split into 2-3 sentences? "Some psychiatrists distinguish compulsive from pathological lying, while others consider them equivalent; yet others deny the existence of compulsive lying altogether; this remains an area of considerable controversy.[4]" LEVcapustudent (talk) 08:51, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

Diagnostics proof[edit]

Under diagnostics it reads "It has been shown through lie detector tests that PF (pseudologia fantastica) patients exhibit arousal, stress, and guilt from their deception". Where has it been shown? Who has shown it? LEVcapustudent (talk) 08:59, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

Section on Diagnosis[edit]

The first paragraph is well written.

The second paragraph only has a single source (which is the same as the last source in the preceding paragraph and doesn't support the paragraph's claims about lie detectors), is written in a rambling, informal style, inconsistently switches between the terms Pathological lying/Pseudologia fantastica and was largely added in a single edit.

The third paragraph is worse, and contains no references, and again was added largely in a single edit.

I think both paragraphs should be removed. Thoughts? GrumpyMammoth (talk) 12:06, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

Literature[edit]

List: https://archivalia.hypotheses.org/100130 --Historiograf (talk) 16:18, 8 June 2019 (UTC)